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.... not to mention the difficulty of convincing the civilian populations of the (western) Allied countries that piling onto the Soviets (who for the last 4 years had been 'plucky Ivan taking horrific losses while valiantly resisting the barbaric Fascist hordes'.....) was a good idea.........
 

Russian authorities are blaming Ukraine for Monday morning drone attacks on Moscow and Crimea.

Moscow Mayor Sergei Sobyanin said on Telegram there were no casualties in the city as a result of the attack, adding there were strikes on two nonresidential buildings but "no serious destruction" reported.

Russian media reported the drones struck about 600 feet from the Russian Defense Ministry headquarters in Moscow, but it was not clear whether the building was the target of the attack.

Russian news media TASS reported Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said the attack was an act of "international terrorism." The outlet also reported the Russian Defense Ministry said Kyiv's "attempt to conduct a terrorist attack on facilities in Moscow, using two unmanned aerial vehicles, was thwarted."


 
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KYIV, July 24 (Reuters) - The Ukrainian military has retaken over 12 square km (4.6 square miles) of territory in southern Ukraine in the past week in their counteroffensive against Russian forces, Deputy Defence Minister Hanna Maliar said on Monday.

Maliar said the advances brought the territory recaptured since the counteroffensive began in early June to more than 192 square km in the southern sector.

Russian President Vladimir Putin said on Sunday the counteroffensive had failed, but U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken said these were still the "early days" of the Ukrainian counterattack.


In a video message distributed by President Volodymyr Zelenskiy's office, Maliar said Ukrainian forces were continuing to advance in several areas towards the southern city of Melitopol and the city of Berdiansk which is on the Azov Sea.

In the east, she said, the main focus of fighting was around the small city of Bakhmut captured by Russian forces in May after months of fierce combat. Kyiv's forces continued to advance on Bakhmut's southern flanks but to the north Russian forces were "clinging to every centimetre and meter," she said.


 
Actually, it was what a Japanese anticipated. Unless the Imperial Japanese government was more like the current Russian government, nod your head, keep your head down or lose your head, they thought the U.S. would cave.
 
Actually, it was what a Japanese anticipated. Unless the Imperial Japanese government was more like the current Russian government, nod your head, keep your head down or lose your head, they thought the U.S. would cave.
There was considerable disagreement within the Japanese government as far as a war with the US was concerned. The Army was pushing for it but the IJN was reticent and took a much more pragmatic view of its likely outcome. The hope was that a sudden attack on Pearl Harbor would so seriously cripple the USN Pacific Fleet that we would not have the capability to resist Japanese expansion in the Far East. Our aircraft carriers being at sea at the time of the attack was crucial. Our battleships were hit but the day of the battleship as the principal naval force was waning, if not over by them.
 

It should be noted that very few in either the Navy or the Army agreed with Yamamoto's plan for PH, and to the Navy he had to threaten resignation in order to gain acceptance.
 

I don't think the absence of carriers from PH made an ounce of difference. Even if all the USN's Pacific Fleet carriers were sunk on 7 Dec 1941, it still wouldn't have resulted in an American capitulation. Yes, it would have delayed opportunities for the Allies to go on the offensive but it wouldn't have changed the final outcome.

Japan's strategy was flawed from the outset. It's almost like they presented their plan as this sweeping encompassing of the entire Pacific Ocean when, in reality, all they would gain were isolated outposts that could be picked off at will. Even taking PNG and Midway wouldn't have done anything to make Japan's ultimate victory any more assured. Yes, it would have been a harder and longer slog for the Allies...but Japan simply didn't have the resources to own the Pacific...which means, ultimately, they would lose.
 
It worked on Imperial Russia, and to a lesser extent the Chinese over the previous 40+ years. So if they thought all westerners were alike we would fold like the Russians did in 1905. I would say they were a bit optimistic. And not realizing that there were a "few" differences between Imperial Russian, and the USA's societal outlook was a major flaw in the plan.
 

Without the American carriers, the isolation of Australia and its neutralization as the major Allied base in the South and Southwest Pacific would have been much easier -- greatly prolonging the war, imo.
 
Without the American carriers, the isolation of Australia and its neutralization as the major Allied base in the South and Southwest Pacific would have been much easier -- greatly prolonging the war, imo.

Yes...it would have made it longer. However, Japan could never isolate Australia because, again, they lacked resources. They absolutely could have made life much more difficult in the Northern Territory (Darwin etc.) but they couldn't isolate the other Australian ports, particularly those in the east and south of the land mass (Sydney, Brisbane, Melbourne etc.).
 

If we put this prolonged war in the context of an American public tired by summer 1945 -- and perhaps the Marianas haven't been captured if the schedule has slipped a year?-- we can consider that the USN carriers being sunk at PH could have a significant effect on the end-game as well.
 
Had Japan been able to sink all the USA carriers, I believe that there was one critical decision which was made, which wouldn't have been made. That was the decision to treat Germany as the first priority.
That almost certainly would have impacted the Lend Lease to the UK and Russia. I think the UK would have been reasonably OK but Russia would have been left to fend for itself to a much greater extent. The war in Russia was a lot closer than a lot of people realise and this could have made the difference.
 
Japan itself did not have the necessary resources but their conquests in the Western Pacific gave them access to those rescources.
 

Not sure I buy that. Even as things stood, the US built more than 40 brand new aircraft carriers during WW2. There were only 3 carriers in Pacific Fleet on 7 Dec 1941 (Lexingon, Saratoga and Enterprise). Adding another 3 carriers to the build list to replace them won't result in a seismic shift in production priorities.

I agree that loss of the Pacific Fleet carriers might have complicated the "Germany First" strategy but I'm not sure it would make any difference. Germany clearly presented the greater threat because, as already noted, Japan's strategy was impractical. For all its expansionist aspirations, Japan was never going to match the combined might of the US and Britain.

All that said, we should probably get back to the Ukraine situation.
 
Japan itself did not have the necessary resources but their conquests in the Western Pacific gave them access to those rescources.

Which they lacked the shipping capacity to exploit. You can't go on an expedition to dominate the breadth of the Pacific and, at the same time, use the same transportation resources to exploit oilfields and other natural resources from the conquered lands. Japan's cargo/oil shipping fleet was never up to the job of the first task, let alone both tasks.

This isn't just about resources. It's also about having the production capacity to outpace both the US and UK. Japan was never going to achieve that, even with Germany being the prime focus of attention for the Allies.
 

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