"All of Vlad's forces and all of Vlad's men, are out to put Humpty together again." (7 Viewers)

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

If I was Ukraine I would cede Crimea and the smaller areas in the east the separatists occupied before the war. Those three places are vastly majority Russian populated and thus a likely source of trouble in the future. Focus on keeping the areas populated by Ukrainians, make peace and then militarize like hell, including setting up your own Iron Dome system, to be ready for the next time.

So when do they stop ceding territory? The next time Putin wants a chunk (and you know he will) just give him those too? How about the ethic Russians can go back to Russia if they would rather live under the thumb of a totalitarian quasi dictator.

Let me ask you, would you be ok with Quebec leaving Canada? They are practically ethnic French. Hell their official language is French.

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

....and if they reach this agreement, Adolph Putin will be back tomorrow for another portion of Ukraine. It's insane to expect an unreasonable person to be reasonable and it's Ukraine that will pay the price, in land and blood. When Uklaine disapears, which country volunteers to be the next sacrificial lamb?

 

[Admiral Beez]

So when do they stop ceding territory? The next time Putin wants a chunk (and you know he will) just give him those too? How about the ethic Russians can go back to Russia if they would rather live under the thumb of a totalitarian quasi dictator.

Let me as you, would you be ok with Quebec leaving Canada? They are practically ethic French. Hell their official language is French.

Russia will be back, so I'm suggesting that Ukraine cede the pre-war territories in order to buy time. In Crimea Ukraine hardly fired a shot, they did nothing to defend the territory, and fled like the Afghans at Kabul as the Taliban approached. It's sh#tty and not right for Ukraine to cede anything, but reality sucks.

Had Quebec voted to exit in the 1995 Referendum all Canadians would have let them go without any bloodshed or drama necessary. Instead we would have renegotiated the constitution to create whatever new relationship the two sides wanted. Self determination is important.

 

[Thumpalumpacus]

The Ukrainians will be getting another 2,000 or so Javelins, 700 Stingers, 100 light-attack drones, and about 7,000 small-arms, along with 20,000,000 rounds of ammo for them.

What’s in the new US military aid package to Ukraine?

Washington has announced an additional $800m in security aid including drones and anti-tank and anti-aircraft systems.

www.aljazeera.com

The Brits are also sending 500 StarStreak MANPADs, from what I understand, which are quite a bit more capable than Stingers.

Reality may be just as harsh on the Russians in the next few weeks.

 

[pgeno71]

It's great we learned the lessons of the 1930's, hopefully we also learned the lesson to not sit around with your thumb up your ass and do nothing as one country mobilized troops on another country's border for over a year, especially after that mobilizing country had previously taken part of the country. That is, if we really give a shit about that country's sovereignty and democracy. But then we would deny all the self-righteous and self-aggrandizing politicians the opportunity to get their faces on TV and talk about and condemn all the atrocities that did jack shit to prevent.

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Russia will be back, so I'm suggesting that Ukraine cede the pre-war territories in order to buy time. In Crimea Ukraine hardly fired a shot, they did nothing to defend the territory, and fled like the Afghans at Kabul as the Taliban approached. It's sh#tty and not right for Ukraine to cede anything, but reality sucks.

Had Quebec voted to exit in the 1995 Referendum all Canadians would have let them go without any bloodshed or drama necessary. Instead we would have renegotiated the constitution to create whatever new relationship the two sides wanted. Self determination is important.

And why is Russia back again? Because Ukraine did not put up a fight. Appeasement gets you know where. Have we not learned anything from Hitler and Chamberlain?

And then British Columbia goes "Hmmm what's good for Quebec is good for us too. Bye Canada". And then the next, and the next…

Obviously Canada and Quebec is pretty oddball example, but the point still stands the lands In Ukraine are Ukrainian, not Russia. Ukraine should not be seeding land because some people think they are someone else.

 

[Admiral Beez]

And why is Russia back again?

Because when this war inevitably ends with some agreement of terms between the two countries, Russia will break it and attack again. As long as Russia exists as an autocratic, grievance-wrought militaristic failed state that sees an opportunity no matter how slight or fantastical, they will always be back to try again.

If British Columbia wants to leave Canada they can vote to do so. Unlike the USA we have a formal means for provinces to exit Canada. No shooting required. Clarity Act - Wikipedia

 

[Thumpalumpacus]

Because when this war inevitably ends with some agreement of terms between the two countries, Russia will break it and attack again. As long as Russia exists as an autocratic, grievance-wrought militaristic failed state that sees an opportunity no matter how slight or fantastical, they will always be back to try again.

Which strikes me as all the more reason to not cut a deal, especially if it gives up bridgeheads in Eastern Ukraine that could be used in any continuation of this war in years to come.

The best card Ukraine holds is promising to not join NATO, but clearly Putin won't believe that.

Stopping the killing is of course a laudable goal. Kicking the can down the road, which allows the Russians to reconstitute their forces, not so much, imho.

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Because when this war inevitably ends with some agreement of terms between the two countries, Russia will break it and attack again. As long as Russia exists as an autocratic, grievance-wrought militaristic failed state that sees an opportunity no matter how slight or fantastical, they will always be back to try again.

You are correct, and people like Putin (aka a bully) only understand being pushed back. If Ukraine was long term security and peace it needs to fight back until Putin is defeated and gone, which will only happen when his people have had enough. Giving up and letting him "win" will not drive his people to remove him.

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Which strikes me as all the more reason to not cut a deal, especially if it gives up bridgeheads in Eastern Ukraine that could be used in any continuation of this war in years to come.

The best card Ukraine holds is promising to not join NATO, but clearly Putin won't believe that.

Stopping the killing is of course a laudable goal. Kicking the can down the road, which allows the Russians to reconstitute their forces, not so much, imho.

Exactly. Insurance to not join NATO is fine, and probably a good deal. Giving up strategic territory is not.

 

[Admiral Beez]

You are correct, and people like Putin (aka a bully) only understand being pushed back. If Ukraine was long term security and peace it needs to fight back until Putin is defeated and gone, which will only happen when his people have had enough. Giving up and letting him "win" will not drive his people to remove him.

I agree, but regime change is not within the abilities of the Ukrainians. Russians will fight like Ukrainians if they're now defending their own homes and families. Besides, if Ukrainian forces take one step outside of Ukraine's borders the West will worry about an escalation and tell the Ukrainians to stand down. No one is invading Russia to the point that the Kremlin falls without provoking a nuclear strike.

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

I agree, but regime change is not within the abilities of the Ukrainians. Russians will fight like Ukrainians if they're now defending their own homes and families. Besides, if Ukrainian forces take one step outside of Ukraine's borders the West will worry about an escalation and tell the Ukrainians to stand down. No one is invading Russia to the point that the Kremlin falls without provoking a nuclear strike.

Why would Russians be defending their homes? Ukraine is not invading them. Ukraine has ZERO intent or ability to invade Russia. That scenario has nothing to do and is irrelevant with what's going on. All Ukraine wants is Russia to go home? Is seeding territory to Russia in their best interest? Hell no. You say it will buy them more time? Strategically that is bad. Why? Because Russia gets more time to prepare before they come back again. And next time ole Putin will not underestimate the Ukrainians.

 

[FLYBOYJ]

No one is invading Russia

Nuff said...

 

[FLYBOYJ]

Here we go! These Ruskies are funny guys!

A Russian lawmaker wants Alaska back. 'Good luck with that!'

Mar. 17—A Russian parliament member has called for the return of Alaska to Russian, prompting a quick dismissal from Alaska politicians and others. The statement came as Russian President Vladimir Putin has attempted to rewrite history in an effort to explain away his war in Ukraine. But Russia...

news.yahoo.com

 

[SaparotRob]

I can see them ceding Crimea. Not so sure about the Donbas.

I'm wondering how many of those "Russian separatists" still prefer Russia over Ukraine. Not the ones imported by Putin.

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Here we go! These Ruskies are funny guys!

A Russian lawmaker wants Alaska back. 'Good luck with that!'

Mar. 17—A Russian parliament member has called for the return of Alaska to Russian, prompting a quick dismissal from Alaska politicians and others. The statement came as Russian President Vladimir Putin has attempted to rewrite history in an effort to explain away his war in Ukraine. But Russia...

news.yahoo.com

In the name of peace we should allow this to happen. Putin is a noble man and only wants peace.

I have returned from Russia with peace for our time!

 

[Glider]

And 3) made sure that the whole world is now aware of Ukraine as a separate, independent nation with its own language, culture, government and people. Putin has essentially put Ukraine on the map.

And 4) No one will mess with the Ukraine for a long long time

 

[Jerad]

Is this a coordinated effort between drone operator and ground forces? If so, that's cutting edge work. Nice. That infantry carrier didn't explode like I anticipated.

There was no information about this anywhere, my thoughts are rather yes than no.

 

[Dimlee]

Prominent speakers, excellent discussion.

 

[Thumpalumpacus]

Here we go! These Ruskies are funny guys!

A Russian lawmaker wants Alaska back. 'Good luck with that!'

Mar. 17—A Russian parliament member has called for the return of Alaska to Russian, prompting a quick dismissal from Alaska politicians and others. The statement came as Russian President Vladimir Putin has attempted to rewrite history in an effort to explain away his war in Ukraine. But Russia...

news.yahoo.com

A flag we flew here in Texas 187 years ago:

PS -- Russia, let us know how it works out for you.