"All of Vlad's forces and all of Vlad's men, are out to put Humpty together again." (3 Viewers)

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GrauGeist said:
So what are the options for peace?

So far, Russia wants to keep Crimea and the Donbass. He also wants a demilitarized Ukraine. He wants NATO out of Romania, Hungary and Bulgaria as well as Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia...most likely Poland, too.

Another point of consideration, is that NOTHING that Putin agrees to, is honored.

So literally any appeasement given to Russia at this point, allows Russia to regroup, consolidate his forces (aling with purging low performers) and then most likely move into Moldova (because there is a small ethnic Russian population that needs saving) as well as most likely finish it's reclamation of Georgia, which Russia took 20% of in 2008 and has yet to honor most of it's cease-fire agreements.

Putin, like Hitler and Stalin, cannot be bargained with. They were all megalomaniacs bent on their own desires.
None were honorable, none were to be trusted and none of the lot gave a single damn about the value of human life.

The only choice Putin should be given, is what caliber of bullet he wants between his eyes...
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Agreed. Anything else is Neville Chamberlainisque…
 
DerAdlerIstGelandet said:
I think so as well. Regardless we are witnessing serious implications to Russian and global history.
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If nothing else, Putin has done two things for the world outside Ukraine:

1) given NATO another 4 or 5 decades of life, and

2) put China on notice that its retaking of Taiwan will probably not be in accordance with the schedule they would like to see.
 
DerAdlerIstGelandet said:
Agreed. Anything else is Neville Chamberlainisque…
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Indeed - *if* the League of Nations had lived up to their mission and leaned on Hitler when he attempted to annex the Sudentenland (shades of Donbass anyone?), then the dominoes of Czechslovakia, Austria and Poland would not have fallen.

You do not try to give a rabid dog hugs and kisses and hope all is well ever after...
 
DerAdlerIstGelandet said:
www.yahoo.com

Japan says it spotted Russian amphibious ships heading toward Europe

Japan said on Thursday it spotted four Russian amphibious ships in waters close to its shores on Wednesday. The Japanese military said the four ships sailed in the Tsuruga Strait that separates Japan's Honshu island and Hokkaido island, an unusual move for Russia, Reuters reported.The ships are...
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Would be interesting to know how they wanna reach russian soil. Shipping to St Petersburg and then all the way down to Ukraine? To Syria then somehow airlift them? They can't get into Black Sea unless they want to drag Turkey into the war on Ukraine's side.
 
DerAdlerIstGelandet said:
www.yahoo.com

Japan says it spotted Russian amphibious ships heading toward Europe

Japan said on Thursday it spotted four Russian amphibious ships in waters close to its shores on Wednesday. The Japanese military said the four ships sailed in the Tsuruga Strait that separates Japan's Honshu island and Hokkaido island, an unusual move for Russia, Reuters reported.The ships are...
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As of 28 February, Turkey closed the Bosphorus to all warships except those based in the Black Sea in accordance to the Montreaux Convention.

So not sure what good any of those ships (and cargo) will do, if they can't reach the Black Sea.
 
The options for peace are dependent on what the options are.

Now you may be 100% right. I maybe 100% wrong.

Maybe Putin cannot be trusted but there is now a difference. Putin is in a jam. So it's now no longer his word but his circumstances that are dictating the rules.

He is now in a very weak position so getting a peace treaty is possible. So the West must capitalize on this weak position to get the best deal.

If you get 5 years peace then that is something.

You must remember as long as the war goes on more and more civilians will be killed. Going down in flames should not be on the table. I don't really care if this may be weak sauce.

Hitler wanted to go down in flames and that's what he did. Doenitz, oddly, didn't want to go down with the ship and signed what he could to stop the war.
 
The Basket said:
The options for peace are dependent on what the options are.

Now you may be 100% right. I maybe 100% wrong.

Maybe Putin cannot be trusted but there is now a difference. Putin is in a jam. So it's now no longer his word but his circumstances that are dictating the rules.

He is now in a very weak position so getting a peace treaty is possible. So the West must capitalize on this weak position to get the best deal.

If you get 5 years peace then that is something.

You must remember as long as the war goes on more and more civilians will be killed. Going down in flames should not be on the table. I don't really care if this may be weak sauce.

Hitler wanted to go down in flames and that's what he did. Doenitz, oddly, didn't want to go down with the ship and signed what he could to stop the war.
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Only Putin getting out on favorable terms only kicks the can down the road. He will learn fron this, correct his problems, and come back again even stronger and more dangerous. That is why appeasement does not work.
 
Slovakia's defense minister on Thursday said the country would "immediately" provide its S-300 air defense system to Ukraine if it's guaranteed a "proper replacement" in the near term.

Jaroslav Nad' said Slovakia is in discussions with the United States and other allies on the possibility of deploying its S-300s to Ukraine to help the embattled country in its fight against invading Russian forces. But the agreement hinges on Bratislava receiving a stand-in system for its air defenses.

"We're willing to do so immediately when we have a proper replacement," Nad' said a press conference alongside Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin.

"The only strategic air defense system that we have in Slovakia is [the] S-300 system. So what would happen immediately when we decide to give it to Ukrainians is that we actually create a gap, a security gap in NATO."

He added: "Should there be [a] situation that we have a proper replacement or that we have a capability guaranteed for a certain period of time, then we will be willing to discuss the future of S-300."
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Slovakia says it would give Ukraine its air defense systems if it gets ‘proper replacement’

Slovakia’s defense minister on Thursday said the country would “immediately” provide its S-300 air defense system to Ukraine if it’s guaranteed a “proper replacement” in the near term. Jarosla…
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How many Patriot batteries do we have in Germany? Enough to provide loaners until a more-permanent replacement can be provided? The Greeks and Bulgarians also field the S-300, perhaps they could provide some loaners in addition or instead of the Patriots, which would obviously require American manning?
 
Thumpalumpacus said:
Appeasement almost always embolden, rather than deters, future aggression. If nothing else, the 30s taught us that.
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I give them the benefit of the doubt for the 30s. They had just come out of WW1 and hind sight is always 20/20. Today we have no excuse though. We have Chamberlain to thank for teaching us what not to do.
 
DerAdlerIstGelandet said:
I give them the benefit of the doubt for the 30s. They had just come out of WW1 and hind sight is always 20/20. Today we have no excuse though. We have Chamberlain to thank for teaching us what not to do.
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Right, they were feeling their way through those tough times, but the one great thing about hindsight is that it is the basis for learning. Only fools ignore hindsight in more modern times, because history always has something to teach us.

That's why the apparent lack of institutional memory in the Russian army is to me so baffling.
 
DerAdlerIstGelandet said:
Tucker Carlson is a disgrace. He is Putin's employee of the month.
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