"All of Vlad's forces and all of Vlad's men, are out to put Humpty together again." (6 Viewers)

[RogerdeLluria]

Boeing/Saab On Track For GLSDB Fielding To Ukraine | Aviation Week Network

A Boeing/Saab team is on track to deliver the first Ground-Launched Small Diameter Bomb and a new launcher to the Ukrainian military, a company official said on Oct. 9.

aviationweek.com

 

[JDCAVE]

Sea Baby.

Here's the 'experimental' sea drone, called the 'Sea Baby,' that Ukraine claims has carried almost 1,900 pounds of explosives and has been attacking Russia's Black Sea Fleet

The Sea Baby, an invention of Ukraine's intelligence agency, has carried almost 1,900 pounds of explosives and operate in stormy conditions, according to reports.

www.businessinsider.com

"The Sea Baby can withstand stormy weather

The experimental sea drone is able to operate in stormy conditions and hide behind high waves to avoid detection, according to New Voice, an independent digital news outlet based in Kyiv."

I believe we discussed this earlier about radar identification of small targets in high sea conditions. The target is lost in the "sea clutter". I'm sure that advanced systems and well trained alert radar operators may be able to identify such targets, but from my own experience with radar, it's a significant challenge, and clearly so for Russian systems and operators.


Jim

 

[Admiral Beez]

The experimental sea drone is able to operate in stormy conditions and hide behind high waves to avoid detection

I wonder if top tier destroyers such as the Arleigh Burke, Asahi, Daring, Hobart, Horizon (shown below) or Sejong classes could detect and counter such an attack.

There's not a lot of auto cannons on these advanced air defence destroyers.

 

[manta22]

I wonder if top tier destroyers such as the Arleigh Burke, Asahi, Daring, Hobart, Horizon (shown below) or Sejong classes could detect and counter such an attack.

View attachment 741826

There's not a lot of auto cannons on these advanced air defence destroyers.

Overhead detection by a drone carrying an IR camera is possible.

 

[Admiral Beez]

Overhead detection by a drone carrying an IR camera is possible.

True. But that's got little to do with the target ship's own sensors or defences.

 

[MiTasol]

Overhead detection by a drone carrying an IR camera is possible.

With all the cold sea spray covering the vessel and matching the skin temperature to the sea temperature I doubt the IR camera would find anything

 

[JDCAVE]

I asked the question on a vessel cruising forum on which I participate. Note especially post 4 from a US navy veteran.

Sea Baby Ukrainian drone vessel - Trawler Forum

This showed up on my radar https://www.businessinsider.com/sea-...-fleet-2023-10 The Sea Baby can withstand stormy weather The experimental sea

www.trawlerforum.com

That's late 1980's to early 1990's technology. Russian naval technology may not have advanced from what is presented above.

Jim

 

[GrauGeist]

Since the Sea Baby doesn't have a periscope or snorkel, that eliminates the "Telephone Pole" issue, too.

 

[GrauGeist]

Weird - this post was a reply in another thread, yet ended up here?

 

[Thumpalumpacus]

With all the cold sea spray covering the vessel and matching the skin temperature to the sea temperature I doubt the IR camera would find anything

The engine will give a thermal signature, no?

 

[Admiral Beez]

Yesterday's Russian assault on the man-made mountain at Terrikon reminded me of Hacksaw Ridge, Mount Suribachi, or Masada. But this time the defenders win the day.


View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=p_CNhVFeQdk

 

[manta22]

True. But that's got little to do with the target ship's own sensors or defences.

Ships can't deploy drones?

 

[RogerdeLluria]

TLDR: Both sides lie, but one side lies much more then the other.

Estimating troop losses on both sides in the Russia-Ukraine war

In the wake of the ongoing Russia-Ukraine conflict, Benjamin J. Radford, Yaoyao Dai, Niklas Stoehr, Aaron Schein, Mya Fernandez, and Hanif Sajid have developed a model to better estimate the loss numbers obscured by the fog of war and the biases of somereporting sources

theloop.ecpr.eu

 

[Admiral Beez]

Ships can't deploy drones?

Any ship can deploy drones. Had the Russians deployed and effectively used airborne drones their ship(s) may have evaded or destroyed the Ukrainian naval drones no matter the capabilities, condition or use of the ship's sensors.

I'm wondering if today's most modern destroyers with their onboard systems and armament would be able to detect and destroy the Sea Baby - without the help of overhead drones or aircraft.

 

[MiTasol]

I agree.
There will be little if any thermal signature due to the overspray covering the surfaces being at sea temperatures, they are almost certainly painted with modern radar absorbing paints, there are few reflective surface and the colour will blend in with the background making identification using the Mk 1 eyeball difficult.

 

[buffnut453]

Gobsmacking...simply gobsmacking (Source: BBC):

Vladimir Putin has held a phone call with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to discuss the situation in Israel and Gaza, according to the Kremlin in Moscow.

In a statement, the Kremlin said the Russian president expressed his condolences to the families of Israelis killed in the recent attacks by Hamas and "stressed strong opposition to, and condemnation of, any actions whose victims are civilians, including women and children".

 

[Warspite63]

Gobsmacking...simply gobsmacking (Source: BBC):

Vladimir Putin has held a phone call with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to discuss the situation in Israel and Gaza, according to the Kremlin in Moscow.

In a statement, the Kremlin said the Russian president expressed his condolences to the families of Israelis killed in the recent attacks by Hamas and "stressed strong opposition to, and condemnation of, any actions whose victims are civilians, including women and children".

I agree completely .... it is literally mind-boggling to contemplate that even Putin's seemingly-boundless cynicism can countenance such public pronouncements as this. Life imitates art as Big Brother's Doublespeak becomes real (Yeah I know it's not the first time.....)

 

[Jabberwocky]

Russia's recent attacks towards Avdiivka seem to be petering out, but the operations involved a lot of different units. Elements have been identified from the

1st Guards Tank Army
41st Combined Arms Army (at least two different divisions, including one tank division)
At least two independent motor rifle brigades
1st Donetsk Army Corps (DPR militia)
2nd Guards Army Corps (LNR militia)
BARS (reservists)
Penal military units ("Storm Z" personnel)

Seems like a real grab bag of units. Co-ordination must be a nightmare.

 

[Admiral Beez]

1st Donetsk Army Corps (DPR militia)
2nd Guards Army Corps (LNR militia)
BARS (reservists)
Penal military units ("Storm Z" personnel)

As Magneto says, "the pawns go first". Those DPR/LNR guys must be questioning their anti-Ukrainian life choices. They're not religious fanatics willing to die for some perceived greater cause, or Messianic figure, of which Putin is not. Instead, like the Penal units, they're just local, stupid-minded thugs and drunks that are being fed into the grinder.


View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=e5MSynAEaZk&pp=ygUSdGhlIHBhd25zIGdvIGZpcnN0

On another tact, send these to Ukraine for close quarters anti-drone work. Only in 'murica, lol.


View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ibq2CFVZes8&pp=ygUNUmMgcGxhbmUgZmlyZQ%3D%3D

 

[Escuadrilla Azul]

Ukraine Situation Report: Russia's Localized Offensive “Failing,” Ukraine Claims

Fierce fighting continues in and around the town of Avdiivka, while one Ukrainian commander explains why he is confident of a Russian defeat there.

www.thedrive.com