"All of Vlad's forces and all of Vlad's men, are out to put Humpty together again." (6 Viewers)
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MiTasol
1st Lieutenant
My hope is surprise amphibious assault. Putin would look like an idiot to the Russian people if Ukraine gains a foothold on Crimea.
"All of Vlad's forces and all of Vlad's men, are out to put Humpty together again."
Is a permanent, city-seizing landing truly possible? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YxbGNrs4KZ4&t=729s How would Ukraine get the ten thousand or more troops onto Crimea? And how to support them? On the first step, perhaps a nighttime parachute or helicopter drop? Or grain ships...ww2aircraft.net
I'm suggesting a modern, but secret conversion of merchant ships to LST. A dozen ship sail from Odessa, declared as grain carriers under foreign flags. But at the last moment, while under F-16 and drone cover the ships hoist the Ukrainian flag and turn for Crimea!
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Here's a beach in Crimea this summer, but with a dozen such ships. Once she stops, the disguised bow doors open and AFU tanks, AFVs, assault troops and engineering/support units pour out.
View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RLOXIIi5-24&pp=ygUdQ2FyZ28gc2hpcCBjcmFzaGVzIG9udG8gYmVhY2g%3D
I doubt they could hide the conversion but doing a dark night tanker crash into a target in Sevastopol Harbour with a water filled tanker loaded with incendiaries in the bow, rocket launchers in the middle and a small fast black low profile escape pod at the stern for the crew to escape in the chaos would sure create havoc.
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Thumpalumpacus
Major
An engaging video I haven't finished yet, so I don't know his conclusion, but he strikes me as very thoughtful on this operation. Bit of a long watch, but so far it seems worthwhile.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kndAdLxnasM
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kndAdLxnasM
Admiral Beez
Major
Memories of HMS Campbeltown. But I want Ukrainian boots on the ground as the beginning of a beachhead and breakout.
MiTasol
1st Lieutenant
One of the side benefits for the Ukrainians in Kursk is they will probably capture a lot of Russian ammunition that they can deliver back to the Russians at very high velocity.
Thumpalumpacus
Major
It's not a single drydock, it's a large harbor. Incendiaries aren't going to break stuff, and -- because it's a harbor filled with water -- aren't going to burn much.
ammo, tanks, vehicles, other material and a lot of prisoners for future exchanges. Claims are around they already captured 1k russians.
SaparotRob
Unter Gemeine Geschwader Murmeltier XIII
Not with that attitude.
Thumpalumpacus
Major
It'll be a pretty fireworks display, for what that's worth.
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
Plenty of targets in the Harbor to target.
While the bulk of the Black Sea fleet has been relocated, there is still shipping, such as fuel and supply ships for their ground forces.
MiTasol
1st Lieutenant
But they are going to create such a bright fire up front and that will destroy the orcs night vision. Than in turn means that the crew escaping at the rear will be much harder to see - especially if the ship lays a smoke screen as soon as it hits the nets across the mouth of the harbour. And there must be a good target or two in there or just outside there.
Thumpalumpacus
Major
It's not that there aren't targets in there, it's that there are better ways to hit at 'em without throwing away a perfectly good tanker. Find a way to get USVs up and over the nets without blowing up your own 30,000t tanker.
Right, but there's better ways to get at the targets.
MiTasol
1st Lieutenant
I was looking at the considerable damage it would do to Russian morale and Putins status. Done immediately hours before Ukrainian troops launched an attack from the sea on other nearby targets it would be a good diversion - especially if there some remote controlled, unmanned ships, following it in to Sevastopol and just sitting there and blocking the harbour entrance. Modifying the ships to drones could be much easier hidden than converting them to LSTs.
EDIT - The Ukrainians will want to use Sevastapol ASAP so filling a tanker with water will do massive damage to what ever it hits but relatively little secondary damage. Having it full of fuel would do far more damage but then the Ukrainians would have to fix the damage sooner or later.
I would expect there were several better locations to actually bring a large force ashore but a diversion like that would draw a lot of troops away from the other locations to defend the city against the diversion.
As GrauGeist notes - damaging or blocking their fuel and supply ships would be a great benefit.
EDIT - The Ukrainians will want to use Sevastapol ASAP so filling a tanker with water will do massive damage to what ever it hits but relatively little secondary damage. Having it full of fuel would do far more damage but then the Ukrainians would have to fix the damage sooner or later.
I would expect there were several better locations to actually bring a large force ashore but a diversion like that would draw a lot of troops away from the other locations to defend the city against the diversion.
As GrauGeist notes - damaging or blocking their fuel and supply ships would be a great benefit.
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Thumpalumpacus
Major
Pretty hard to damage it so much that Russians cannot use but Ukrainians still can. Attack the assets, leave the port intact, and keep the Russians afraid to use it.
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
I'd like to see something happen so the Ukrainian Marines can lead a breakout from their Dnipro beach-head.
If that can happen, an Eastern drive in force leads to Crimea.
If that can happen, an Eastern drive in force leads to Crimea.
MiTasol
1st Lieutenant
Just blocking the entrance denies the harbour to the Russians but not to the Ukrainians (unless they actually sink a ship in the mouth of the harbour)
T-boning a tanker or cargo ship inside the harbour creates a mess in harbour and denies the Russians both the ship and cargo. Evan a relatively small tanker full of water could probably clean out the nets and still T-bone a ship.
The hit on Russian morale would be massive.
T-boning a tanker or cargo ship inside the harbour creates a mess in harbour and denies the Russians both the ship and cargo. Evan a relatively small tanker full of water could probably clean out the nets and still T-bone a ship.
The hit on Russian morale would be massive.
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