"All of Vlad's forces and all of Vlad's men, are out to put Humpty together again." (1 Viewer)

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JDCAVE said:
Yes. It has been repeated again! The opportunity was lost in early February-2022. Putin should have been informed confidentially, that should he take military action, NATO would take military action. I don't care whether the NATO block was allowed by their constitution to do this or not, I'm only saying that was the best opportunity. I realize most on this thread will disagree, but that's my opinion. I don't see how Ukraine wins this now.
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There were several factors at play in February 2022:
First was the assumption that Russia was a competent, well organized and well trained military.

Secondly, with the above in mind, everyone was afraid of "escelation" with Russia.

To add to the above, was the assumption that Ukraine would not last three weeks against Russia.
 
GrauGeist said:
There were several factors at play in February 2022:
First was the assumption that Russia was a competent, well organized and well trained military.

Secondly, with the above in mind, everyone was afraid of "escelation" with Russia.

To add to the above, was the assumption that Ukraine would not last three weeks against Russia.
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This is true. Remember, the first "aid" offered was a free flight into exile for Zelensky.
 
GrauGeist said:
There were several factors at play in February 2022:
First was the assumption that Russia was a competent, well organized and well trained military.

Secondly, with the above in mind, everyone was afraid of "escelation" with Russia.

To add to the above, was the assumption that Ukraine would not last three weeks against Russia.
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I remember all of that. All of us here watched it unfold. Sometimes, you just have to grow a pair. Putin calculated the west would do nothing and he was right. They didn't.

The comparisons with WWII are notable.

Jim
 
GrauGeist said:
There were several factors at play in February 2022:
First was the assumption that Russia was a competent, well organized and well trained military.

Secondly, with the above in mind, everyone was afraid of "escelation" with Russia.

To add to the above, was the assumption that Ukraine would not last three weeks against Russia.
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Agreed. I bought into all three points you make here, as can be seen in the first few pages of this thread; I thought that it would be a kickover.

Ukrainians have shown a fierce independence that commands my respect -- completely aside from my contempt for Russian bullying. They're some fightin' sonsabitches and I don't mind a tax dollar here or there to help folks so willing to fight and die for their own freedom.
 
Thumpalumpacus said:
Agreed. I bought into all three points you make here, as can be seen in the first few pages of this thread; I thought that it would be a kickover.

Ukrainians have shown a fierce independence that commands my respect -- completely aside from my contempt for Russian bullying. They're some fightin' sonsabitches and I don't mind a tax dollar here or there to help folks so willing to fight and die for their own freedom.
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I will not lie, if I were younger and my body not broken all to eff, I would have gladly gone over and signed up.

Those Ukrainians are some amazing people, without a doubt.

Слава на Украйна !!
 
GrauGeist said:
I will not lie, if I were younger and my body not broken all to eff, I would have gladly gone over and signed up.

Those Ukrainians are some amazing people, without a doubt.

Слава на Украйна !!
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When my son enlisted in the Marines, he told me that if they wouldn't take him he was going to Ukraine.

That was the kindest thing Uncle Sam did for me.
 
GTX said:
That while lot of doing nothing (in excess of $400 Billion and counting) certainly has helped give Putin a bloody nose. While I strongly believe more should be done and faster, to say that "the west would do nothing and he was right" is disingenuous.
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I think that it is not too far from the truth to change do nothing to do the bare minimum to keep Ukraine alive while testing our latest weapons and see how the next war might develop might be closer to the truth.
 
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