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It sounds like a lot of hand wringing because the US is adopting a more pragmatic approach in Ukraine. As Louis XVI found out, bankrupting your country bankrolling a foreign war has consequences.
You are forgetting the first question.
Where will they get nukes?
US will not provide them because they may be used to target the US or Russia
Russia will not provide them because they may be used to target Russia or the US
Pretty sure they can build their own by now.
But how soon?
Probably sooner than the Russians can rebuild their shattered army to invade, you know, an entire continent.
This dread of Russia is unwarranted.
I seem to recall that was the message to the world after the Munich conference of 1938.
Zelenskyy has shown spine, far more than any of his allies. But he is not strong enough to eject the Russians. So unless his cheerleaders are ready to commit large numbers of troops to force Russia back to the pre 2014 borders, you got nothin'.Dread of Nazis in 1938 too was unwarranted, given spine in opposing leaders.
Zelenskyy has shown spine and the Ukrainian armed forces have shown the Russian army to be a paper tiger. Your comparison is in my mind inapt.
Zelenskyy has shown spine, far more than any of his allies. But he is not strong enough to eject the Russians. So unless his cheerleaders are ready to commit large numbers of troops to force Russia back to the pre 2014 borders, you got nothin'.
That's a very naive statement. Your country is doing a Neville Chamberlain's "peace for our time". We, Europeans still know what that will lead to, maybe you don't? Next to that, your highest-in-charge is blindly following Russian propaganda, already twisting the facts about who started the war. Doing peace talks without the important players like theUkraine and Europe is also a stab in the back.It sounds like a lot of hand wringing because the US is adopting a more pragmatic approach in Ukraine. As Louis XVI found out, bankrupting your country bankrolling a foreign war has consequences.
bad tactic my friend, you are changing the subject. We were talking about financial and political support, both of which the US is not willing to give.How many Dutch divisions are you willing to commit to force Russia out of the occupied territories?
Don't worry, I'm out of the thread now. I've got better things to do and actually shouldn't post here anyway.Thread shutdown in 3, 2, 1
In Europe the Greens (another shade of red) have successfully shamed everyone into abandoning nuclear.
R RogerdeLluria
That is good news but I feel far too optimistic.
You say It is said Spain could potentially develop a nuke in a very short time. but the question is how long is this short time. Five years?
We have seen that it has taken the best part of three years for most EU countries to ramp up non nuke production and they are way behind Russia on production growth.
Britain and France have not built nukes for ages and all the experienced staff and facilities are no longer available so again how quick could they restart. Again 5 years might be optimistic. It is not just throwing up the buildings and training the staff. Much of the tooling might be specialist and no longer available.
Let the weather get hot, water level in rivers dropping and the french reactors have to massively reduce output due to limited cooling water. Under such conditions they actually have to import energy. Not everything is as easy as it looks. Much of their infrastructure is adapted to use electrical energy (heating in houses) instead of having a good mix of different energy sources. . .