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изглеждаш добре информиран, другарюIf you prefer to shut your eyes towards actual occurrences and hundreds of interviews and articles by our "free Western press" - up to you.
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Iagdflieger
To you and me, but not to the Czar and those willing to listen to him.
You already forgot these mowed down convoys including hundreds of civilian vehicles? And I am sure that many civilian occupied vehicles were being shot at by Coalition forces
that were simply afraid of maybe getting blown up by some suicide bomber. In any film footage one can see dozens of burned out and shot up civilian vehicles in front of check-points
and military installations.
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Jagdflieger
If you prefer to shut your eyes towards actual occurrences and hundreds of interviews and articles by our "free Western press" - up to you.
Regards
Iagdflieger
Go back and replay the videos in posts #s 3695 and 3708. They cover these ideas in ways that us folks "contaminated" with western concepts of human rights can hopefully understand.
Essentially it's the relationship between the individual and the nation/state. We see the state as existing to preserve and protect the political rights and freedoms of every individual person. Political diversity and freedom of expression reign over our value system. This is so deeply ingrained in us that we have trouble wrapping our heads around the idea that most of the world, especially those with ethnic axes to grind, have a different hierarchy of values. For these people, freedom from fear and freedom from want are viewed as requiring unity in support of a powerful government that can protect them from their ethnic rivals and the vicissitudes of global geopolitics, as well as domestic "terrorists" who might have different (and unsettling) ideas. "Freedom" for these people has an economic and social dimension that is missing from our purely political version, and tends to value social order and planned economy more highly than the extreme levels of freedom of expression we enshrine.
To them, we look decadent, self indulgent, chaotic, and lacking the political discipline to rein in dissent and forge an economically efficient society. Due to our resource-rich continent and the cumulative wealth it's given us, we've never had to, and the ocean barriers have largely protected us from existential threats.
Implicit in this is the evolutionary dichotomy between the the sea power state with its broader horizons and multicultural exposure with resulting more progressive outlook, vs the continental power state with its ethnic homogeneity, history of invasions and empire, and more or less continuous existential threat, whether actual or perceived, resulting in a more conservative and authoritarian culture. Each mindset in this dichotomy has great difficulty in understanding and relating to the other, guaranteeing a turbulent past, present, and future.
Ukraine's history has been largely as a subset of one continental empire or another, and yet in each case it has served as a crossroads and a frontier of these powers, so becoming more culturally akin to a seagoing state than the empires it served. The Kievan Russ of a millennium ago were landlocked norsemen who had voyaged the rivers from Scandinavia and established a cosmopolitan culture that had predated and outshown the rise of Moscow and St Petersburg and The Russian Empire. No wonder they bailed out of the Russian orbit the minute they got a chance. And they're not looking back. Russians can't understand this.
By political means, yes. Some day. Siege would be insane.Any chance Ukraine can retake Crimea? A third Siege of Sevastopol?
They did hit them. Just not so often as other targets. Earlier today they have attacked a railway in the Donetsk region and three evacuation trains with civilians were stuck.Good stuff. govinfo
My guess is the Russians will begin their new offensive against eastern Ukraine and especially Mariupol within the fortnight. How quickly can arms get to the Ukrainian forces? It is interesting that Russia hasn't hit the Ukrainian railways or interior bridges and highways - they have to know that's the route the new weapons come by.
Sorry, I don't do Twitter. Been ravaged enough on Facebook. Sounds like an interesting thread, though. Anybody care to summarize?
Sorry, I don't do Twitter. Been ravaged enough on Facebook. Sounds like an interesting thread, though. Anybody care to summarize?
You can't refuse OR accept a view that you can't understand, and it's not just those in power who are thus afflicted, it's the general population, who are fed "information" of a bias confirming sort that narrows their vision.But Putin keeps saying he's liberating the Ukrainian people from those enemies. You can't liberate people by killing them. The fundamental problem here is not different views of society. It's about aggressive narcissists in positions of power who refuse to accept ANY view except their own.
I knew what you meant.It seems wrong to be awarding a bacon for a description of such a heinous act. However, the Western nations will need to do exactly this sort of thing to call out Russian disinformation and prove to the rest of the world the true nature of Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
We don't need to care what Putin thinks nor what the Russian people think. This war isn't going to end by winning over the hearts and minds of the Russian people or enciting regime change. Putin and the Russian people have played their hand. This war will end when the Russians are defeated in the field and pushed out of Ukraine and when Ukraine is strong enough to prevent future Russian attacks. After that Russians can sit in their now sanctioned and boycotted sh#thole of a failed state and rot. Our job in the West is to expedite the above.To you and me, but not to the Czar and those willing to listen to him.
I do. Numerous Coalition checkpoints and installations were targeted by suicide bombers. They usually attacked at times calculated to cause maximum carnage among the civilians waiting to get in or out. Same thing happened in Afghanistan. 13 Marines died during the evacuation, but hundreds of Afghan civilians, attempting to flee for their lives, perished.Murdered civilians near coalition installations during the Iraq war. Huh? I don't remember any of that happening while I was there? Hmmm…
I do. Numerous Coalition checkpoints and installations were targeted by suicide bombers. They usually attacked at times calculated to cause maximum carnage among the civilians waiting to get in or out. Same thing happened in Afghanistan. 13 Marines died during the evacuation, but hundreds of Afghan civilians, attempting to flee for their lives, perished.
That the US followed up with a poorly executed drone strike that killed a carload of friendlies is just the icing on the cake of that debacle.
The "troops" who are committing atrocities are either untrained conscripts or mercenaries.
Correct. Methinks he is channeling his "Full Metal Jacket" flashbacks.What you describe is not the "mowing down" and murdering of civilians that he claimed.
Did you run around shooting at civilians for sport? Where you ordered to? If so, lets put your ass in jail. Of course I know you did not. Why? Because we don't have a policy of doing those things. Because we place a value on human life. We try and mitigate civilian casualties. That is a fact.