Agreed, I hope for Ukraine this is true. I find it very hard to believe. Not that Russia would not target the station, but that the only surviving piece would just conveniently happen to be this.
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Agreed, I hope for Ukraine this is true. I find it very hard to believe. Not that Russia would not target the station, but that the only surviving piece would just conveniently happen to be this.
Thumpalumpacus
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I find it hard to believe, after the Russians lined up their artillery on Mariupol, or the bombing of the theater there that was marked "children", or the other crimes committed by Russian troops, that the Ukrainians would feel the need to fake something like that.
But I've been wrong before.
I also find it hard to believe the Russians would be so stupid as to decorate a weapon with such a message.
But I've been wrong before.
I also find it hard to believe the Russians would be so stupid as to decorate a weapon with such a message.
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SaparotRob
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I think Denniss is correct. The writing on the weapon was something like "revenge for the children". Otherwise, the RF forces are really sick.
I don't find it hard to believe. They need to stir up the emotions of the west to cause them to action.
That single pic there did not make a single person in the west (accept a few crazy nuts here and there) to say "Fuck Russia! Let's go!"
My understanding is it was an SS-21 Scarab, a short-range ballistic missile in the same category as the old US Lance missile. That could well be the booster segment following along behind the warhead on the ballistic trajectory.
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Yep...definitely looks like an SS-21 missile. The lattice guidance vanes at the rear are rather distinctive:
Here's another view of the missile wreckage:
Note the lattice guidance vane in the foreground. The general appearance looks realistic....the missile body hit, parts broke off and the body flipped to its position of rest. I'm just not sure about the spray-painted message.
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GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
I looked at that wreckage as close as possible and the words doesn't appear to have been applied after it landed, the lettering is distorted in proportion to the buckling of the surface and too low to the ground to have been done afterwards.
In other words, it truly appears to have been applied before being launched
buffnut453
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I looked at that wreckage as close as possible and the words doesn't appear to have been applied after it landed, the lettering is distorted in proportion to the buckling of the surface and too low to the ground to have been done afterwards.
In other words, it truly appears to have been applied before being launched
Agree...it's just "convenient" that the text is entirely visible and even the right way up to be read.
Unsurprisingly, Russia is denying the attack. They're claiming that they don't use SS-21 any more. However, there are obvious holes in that theory, as outlined by the BBC:
Russia has denied the attack on Kramatorsk railway station and claims missile fragments found nearby are from a Tochka-U tactical projectile "only used by the Ukrainian armed forces".
Its ministry of defence announced it had stopped deploying the weapons in 2019 in favour of the more modern Iskander-M missiles, according to Russian media.
Ukraine's Donetsk governor has, however, accused the Russian military of using the Tochka-U to detonate cluster munitions in the attack on Kramatorsk.
Manisha Ganguly, an investigative journalist for the BBC World Service, has been looking into Russia's claims and believes they don't add up.
She says there's evidence Russia used Tochka-U tactical missiles on 24 February during a strike on a hospital in Vuhledar, Donetsk Oblast, which killed four civilians and wounded 10.
An Amnesty International missile investigator analysing photos of the weapon scrap linked to the incident determined a "9M79 Tochka ballistic missile was used in the attack".
These weapons are extremely inaccurate, regularly missing their targets by half a kilometre or more, Amnesty International has said.
Tochka missiles were also used on 19 March in Luhansk, according to the Ukrainian MoD. The Ukrainian military say they shot down one of these missiles with their air defence system.
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And smacks more of ordnancemen's spontaneous impulse than any kind of official messaging. But the official messaging has clearly sunk in.
Thumpalumpacus
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I chalked a couple of bombs up in 1991 m'self: "Here's a big kiss from the G-man."
In the news:
Kremlin spokesman admits ‘we have significant losses of troops,’ calls it ‘a huge tragedy’
Dmitry Peskov, spokesman for Russian President Vladimir Putin, acknowledged in an interview published on Thursday that Russia had sustained “significant losses of troops” and called it a “huge trag…
thehill.com
I won't repeat the lies he peddled throughout the interview, but I thought it important that Russia is perhaps admitting what we all already know. Maybe their come-to-Jesus moment is coming soon?
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GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
There was a photo about a month ago showing the wreckage of an SS-21 in a town square, plus Ukraine Drone footage shows a Bayraktar destroying a BAZ-5921 launcher over a month ago.
Actually I beleive the Ukrainian drones have destroyed several.
I chalked a couple of bombs up in 1991 m'self: "Here's a big kiss from the G-man."
In the news:
Kremlin spokesman admits ‘we have significant losses of troops,’ calls it ‘a huge tragedy’
Dmitry Peskov, spokesman for Russian President Vladimir Putin, acknowledged in an interview published on Thursday that Russia had sustained “significant losses of troops” and called it a “huge trag…
I won't repeat the lies he peddled in throughout the interview, but I thought it important that Russia is perhaps admitting what we all already know. Maybe their come-to-Jesus moment is coming soon?
How very Russian of him to call it a tragedy that his invading soldiers have sustained heavy losses yet they launch missiles at women and children.
Thumpalumpacus
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Right, the hypocrisy is breathtaking.
buffnut453
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Interesting, and rather chilling, article about Russian "filtration camps":
news.yahoo.com
What are Russian 'filtration camps'?
New details have emerged of how Russian soldiers have forcibly removed tens of thousands of Ukrainians from occupied areas and sent them to “filtration camps” for hours of intense interrogation before shipping them off to various cities around Russia, according to multiple reports.
Thumpalumpacus
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buffnut453
's post upthread about Ukrainian atrocities seems borne out, sadly:April 7 (Reuters) - A social media video verified by Reuters and geolocated to an area west of Kyiv appears to show Ukrainian forces shooting and killing a captured and badly wounded Russian soldier.
Three rounds were fired by an off-camera individual into the soldier, who is wearing one of the white armbands used by Russian forces. He is bleeding heavily, lying in a road beside a dead soldier, and appears to be breathing with difficulty.
"Look he's still alive, he's wheezing already ... It's finished," says a voice before two rounds are fired. A third is fired after the soldier continues moving.
The video then pans to two other dead soldiers in the road who also have white armbands. One of them has his hands tied behind his back and has been shot in the head. A Russian armoured vehicle has been abandoned nearby.
Video appears to show Ukrainian forces killing Russian captive
A social media video verified by Reuters and geolocated to an area west of Kyiv appears to show Ukrainian forces shooting and killing a captured and badly wounded Russian soldier.
www.reuters.com
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Let's face it, from the Russian perspective there are misplaced Russian sympathizers in Ukraine, worthy of being "saved" with a little re-education, and everyone else is a nazi, fit only for extermination or for slave labor. The nazis are showing their true colors by voting with their feet or by criminally assassinating Russian troops. Children? "Nits grow into lice!"
The more nazis who escape to the west, the more problems the future Ukrainian SSR will have with infiltrators and partisans.
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Slovakia has sent an S-300 mobile anti-aircraft system to Ukraine, bolstering its defenses against Russian airstrikes.
Slovakian Prime Minister Eduard Heger confirmed the news Friday, as he visited Kyiv alongside EU Commission President Ursula von der Leyen.
Ukraine is "bravely defending its sovereign country and us, too. It is our duty to help," Heger said via Twitter, decrying the loss of human life under Russia's invasion of its neighbor.
The Ukrainian military already has a supply of the S-300 systems, but it has lost a number of the weapons during the war with Russia. The system's original design was created in the Soviet Union, and it can target aircraft and cruise missiles more than 30,000 feet in the air.
Slovakia had previously said that it would ship S-300 systems to Ukraine, if Slovakia's NATO allies promise to backfill them with other weapons.
War in Ukraine live updates: Russian rocket kills at least 50 people as they were trying to evacuate, Ukraine says
A Ukrainian official says about 100 others were hospitalized after the attack on a train station in the eastern city Kramatorsk. The Kremlin denies any Russian involvement. The death toll includes five children.
www.npr.org
