"All of Vlad's forces and all of Vlad's men, are out to put Humpty together again." (2 Viewers)

Thumpalumpacus · Apr 9, 2022

MiTasol said:
One of the papers I read this morning said he has a history of targeting civilians. From what has been seen so far that seems to be the Russian preference. Maybe they are scared of people who can fight back

That was my first thought when I read that he'd commanded in Syria, that this signals a renewed assault on civilians, and importantly for Ukraine as a nation, their industrial infrastructure. They may be aiming to ruin Ukrainian industry for a generation whether or not they win or lose the battle.

I've also read that the concentration of Russian forces in Donbas will be a quite a bit higher than any other offensive of theirs in Ukraine thus far, in order to aid their chances of success. I haven't seen firm numbers and so can't vouch for this, of course.

Admiral Beez · Apr 9, 2022

Thumpalumpacus said:
I've also read that the concentration of Russian forces in Donbas will be a quite a bit higher than any other offensive of theirs in Ukraine thus far, in order to aid their chances of success.

I can't recall another war of this scale where both sides so publicly announced their redeployments for a coming battle. The Russians are concentrating their forces for an offensive into eastern Ukraine, while Ukraine is concentrating their forces to counter it.

Thumpalumpacus · Apr 9, 2022

Admiral Beez said:
I can't recall another war of this scale where both sides so publicly announced their redeployments for a coming battle. The Russians are concentrating their forces for an offensive into eastern Ukraine, while Ukraine is concentrating their forces to counter it.

Most of what I've heard about Russian deployments have come from Western or Ukrainian reports. Most of what I've heard about Ukrainian deployments has come from the Ukrainians, probably as an attempt to settle civilian nerves and encourage the civvies to GTFO before the shooting ramps up.

GrauGeist · Apr 9, 2022

With the Russians withdrawing their forces to an area to regroup and replenish means some ripe fruit for plucking by the Ukraine forces.

And I'm intrigued by the Ukraine looking to acquire anti-shipping missiles. I'm sure we'll see what they have up their sleeve soon enough, though.

Admiral Beez · Apr 9, 2022

GrauGeist said:
And I'm intrigued by the Ukraine looking to acquire anti-shipping missiles. I'm sure we'll see what they have up their sleeve soon enough, though.

With NATO member Turkey blocking all warship entry into the Black Sea the local Russian navy is quite limited. Maybe Ukraine aims to sink a few of these land attack missile equipped DD/FGs?

Thumpalumpacus · Apr 9, 2022

Admiral Beez said:
With NATO member Turkey blocking all warship entry into the Black Sea the local Russian navy is quite limited. Maybe Ukraine aims to sink a few of these land attack missile equipped DD/FGs?

GrauGeist said:
With the Russians withdrawing their forces to an area to regroup and replenish means some ripe fruit for plucking by the Ukraine forces.

And I'm intrigued by the Ukraine looking to acquire anti-shipping missiles. I'm sure we'll see what they have up their sleeve soon enough, though.

The Ukrainians clearly have to defend their southern flank against further Russian reinforcements. ASMs would make a hot mess of a troop ship or DD trying to add weight to the assault on Mariupol.

GrauGeist · Apr 9, 2022

Thumpalumpacus said:
The Ukrainians clearly have to defend their southern flank against further Russian reinforcements. ASMs would make a hot mess of a troop ship or DD trying to add weight to the assault on Mariupol.

They've already sank a few, including the ship that attacked Snake island - which was an epic tale of baiting the bear: Ukrainian Navy boats lured the Vasily Byvok into a chase, leading it into range of Ukrainian Army batteries who nailed it with rockets!

Glider · Apr 9, 2022

It has to be said that the effective use of SSM missiles is a complication that the Russian Navy could do without. To try a landing against such defences is almost suicidal and even the ability to bombard land targets becomes more difficult.

XBe02Drvr · Apr 9, 2022

Glider said:
To try a landing against such defences is almost suicidal and even the ability to bombard land targets becomes more difficult.

Festung Ukrainia!
For the Russians D-day could well be Defeat-day.

Thumpalumpacus · Apr 9, 2022

GrauGeist said:
They've already sank a few, including the ship that attacked Snake island - which was an epic tale of baiting the bear: Ukrainian Navy boats lured the Vasily Byvok into a chase, leading it into range of Ukrainian Army batteries who nailed it with rockets!

Yeah, so I've read. But I'd imagine they'd like ASMs to improve their capabilities? My understanding was that the Ukrainians used ATGMs -- is that accurate? If so, ASMs would be more useful.

SaparotRob · Apr 9, 2022

I wonder how efficiently the RF redeployment is going. They lost some of their transport going to Kyiv. We saw vids of RF forces using requisitioned civilian SUVs and trucks. The RF lost significant numbers of troops, according to mainstream news. The troops being sent in have to be coming from somewhere. Georgia, Chechnya? Wouldn't it be a hoot if Chechnya and Georgia decided it's a good time to explore other avenues of international relations? I also wonder if Donbas and Luhansk separatists are still as committed to the cause or possibly may being sent to filtration camps themselves.

SaparotRob · Apr 9, 2022

Hey wlewisiii, as long as you're here. I ignore a lot of YT channels of experts explaining why this tank is great/sucks. Your thoughts on the Spookston(?) and Cone of Arc channels? I take the Chieftain at his word.

wlewisiii · Apr 9, 2022

Spookston is fine with in the context of the game he plays. Think about how close or not flight sim games are to real flying? War Thunder, World Of Tanks, etc, are the same for vehicles.

Don't know cone of arc, I'll look at it sometime.

The Tank Chats from the Bovington Tank Museum's Channel are exquisite.
https://www.youtube.com/user/TheTankMuseum

Oh, and Sofilein has a fun channel. She just simply enjoys tanks

at6 · Apr 9, 2022

MiTasol said:
One of the papers I read this morning said he has a history of targeting civilians. From what has been seen so far that seems to be the Russian preference. Maybe they are scared of people who can fight back

Find where the General's H Q is located and liquidate the dirty sob along with his staff.

Thumpalumpacus · Apr 10, 2022

MiTasol said:
One of the papers I read this morning said he has a history of targeting civilians. From what has been seen so far that seems to be the Russian preference. Maybe they are scared of people who can fight back

Thinking about this some more:

Given the Russian difficulties with comm, to the point of having to use clear-channel stuff, I wonder how efficient his dissemination of orders will be, and more importantly, how secure it will be. My understanding (and I could well be wrong, welcome correction) is that Russian doctrine is less-flexible in devolving decisions to lower echelons; they prefer decisions to be made at higher levels and don't allow for as much adaptation and improv. They seem to be more top-down.

Is this in the ballpark of correct?

Thumpalumpacus · Apr 10, 2022

XBe02Drvr said:
Festung Ukrainia!
For the Russians D-day could well be Defeat-day.

We can always hope. The Ukrainians have a tough slog ahead of them. So, too, do the Russians.

SaparotRob · Apr 10, 2022

at6 said:
Find where the General's H Q is located and liquidate the dirty sob along with his staff.

I'm sure the eye in the sky has already given the Ukrainians the license plates of his personal vehicle.

GrauGeist · Apr 10, 2022

SaparotRob said:
I wonder how efficiently the RF redeployment is going. They lost some of their transport going to Kyiv. We saw vids of RF forces using requisitioned civilian SUVs and trucks. The RF lost significant numbers of troops, according to mainstream news. The troops being sent in have to be coming from somewhere. Georgia, Chechnya? Wouldn't it be a hoot if Chechnya and Georgia decided it's a good time to explore other avenues of international relations? I also wonder if Donbas and Luhansk separatists are still as committed to the cause or possibly may being sent to filtration camps themselves.

Georgia is no friend of Russia.

Not only did their naval fueler refuse to provide supplies to a Russian Navy ship, they have provided "volunteers" to the Ukraine's International Legion.

Matter of fact, now would be the perfect time for Georgia to launch a military operation to reclaime territory that Russia occupied in 2008 (they were "protecting" an ethnic Russian population, of course).
This would have a two-fold effect:
One, it would catch Russia off guard as their attention is elsewhere.
Secondly, it would divide Russia's resources at a critical time and pull Russia into a two front war.

XBe02Drvr · Apr 10, 2022

GrauGeist said:
Matter of fact, now would be the perfect time for Georgia to launch a military operation to reclaime territory that Russia occupied in 2008

"That's approved. Make it so."

GrauGeist · Apr 10, 2022

XBe02Drvr said:
"That's approved. Make it so."

Can you imagine the shitstorm at the Kremlin if the Georgians did?

To the free world, the Georgians would be absolute heros in the league of the Ukranians.

In the Kremlin, Vladolf Putler would be raging and hyperventilating

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