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WARSPITER said:
I'm interested to know what is actually going to be left for them to take. In other words, what exactly is the gain in destroying a city
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There's a large Ukrainian army and militia garrison there. And this war has demonstrated that every Ukrainian must be considered a potential partisan. By eliminating the city and its fighting potential the Russians can redeploy their army to fight elsewhere. That's why the Ukrainians are trying to hold the city, to deny the Russians the ability to concentrate their forces elsewhere.

This explains why civilians are targeted, https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/13/opinion/putin-ukraine-war-strategy.html

"But it's their human sensors — the informal Ukrainian observer corps — that are devastating the Russians. Grandmas with iPhones can trump satellites. "The Ukrainian observer corps is made up of babushkas and kids and anyone else who has got a smartphone," he said. "And they've been calling in the locations of where the Russian units are and where they're moving. And so the Ukrainian forces have this big edge in finding the Russians in this big country, and that is giving their small units with smart weapons" real-time, actionable intelligence."
 
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DerAdlerIstGelandet said:
Isn't the other one a cruise ship that burned and sank a while back? I thought I read that, but I could be wrong.
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Damn it you're right! Look what I found on a quick Google image search.

Years of misplaced priorities inside Iran led to embarrassing military mishaps

A series of recent military mishaps makes it clear that Iran has failed to invest in its regular armed forces, even as it heavily bankrolls the IRGC amid an economic crisis.
diyaruna.com

Thumpalumpacus said:
The Moskva before and after:
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We need to be careful about spreading misinformation about the war. A sober sniff test is always best.

Google Lens allows us to search the web for any image to make sure what is claimed is accurate, Google Lens - Search What You See
 
And there you have it. An example of misinformation on the internet. (Not saying the Moskva was not sunk, just that the burning ship is not the Moskva).

The burning ship was an Iranian vessel.

Iran Investigates Fire That Sank One of Its Largest Navy Ships

The sinking of the Kharg is the latest blow to the country’s vital infrastructure and military assets.
www.wsj.com
 
Without actually committing forces, which would likely be considered a casus belli by Putin (or just about any country's government in a vaguely similar situation, such as Japan in China in the 1930s or the US in Mexico in the 1840s), sending military and non-military supplies, providi intelligence, and sanctioning Russia and Belarus is about the limit.
 
vikingBerserker said:
They look like different ships. The red almost goes up the entire way in the sinking ship.
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That's what's below the waterline. In a 12,000 ton cruiser, I'd expect the draught to be deep.

I enlarged the photos before posting and it looks like the after tower is present in the burning. I don't see the beam-mounted ASMs but I assume they were jettisoned once s**t started cooking. The forecastle step-up is visible.

ETA: I stand corrected. My apologies for it.
 
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Quick update on the Moskva. I do wish they'd release an image of the ship so we can see the extent of the damage


The US has been giving its reaction to Ukrainian claims that it carried out a missile strike on the Russian flagship the Moskva last night, causing significant damage.

Pentagon press secretary John Kirby has told CNN that "there was an explosion" on the warship but that the US could not yet say whether the ship was hit by a missile.

Russia says its warship remains afloat after ammunition on board caught fire, while Ukraine says the vessel was hit by its anti-ship missiles.

"We're not exactly sure what happened here. We do assess that there was an explosion - at least one explosion on this cruiser - a fairly major one at that, that has caused extensive damage to the ship," Kirby told CNN.

Kirby said the damaged Russian warship was afloat and "making her own way across the Black Sea" - "probably" for repairs at Sevastopol in Crimea.
 
DerAdlerIstGelandet said:
Isn't the other one a cruise ship that burned and sank a while back? I thought I read that, but I could be wrong.
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I stand corrected. Thank you, gentlemen.
 
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