Why am I not surprised?
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Turkey has said it will veto Sweden and Finland so unless they change their mind it is dead in the water
Possibility 1: Possible methods of producing an epidemiological disaster in enemy nations (i.e. biological warfare).He added "possible methods and mechanisms of destabilising the epidemiological situation in post-Soviet space were being worked on".
I admit to not understanding what this is on about, any ideas anyone?
If I were Sweden and Finland I'd seize the opportunity to toss any Kurdish terror organizations and their supporters back to Kurdistan or to Istanbul so that their new NATO ally can deal with them.Turkey has said it will veto Sweden and Finland so unless they change their mind it is dead in the water
For 6 months...Dont go looking for a war. The Ukraine only had to agree to be neutral. That would have been the end of it.
Rubbish. It's not "The" Ukraine any more than it's The Russia. You're either espousing or fallen for the Russian tropes.The Ukraine only had to agree to be neutral. That would have been the end of it.
If I were Sweden and Finland I'd seize the opportunity to toss any Kurdish terror organizations and their supporters back to Kurdistan or to Istanbul so that their new NATO ally can deal with them.
The PKK is listed as a terrorist organization by Canada. But who knows, had we caught him George Washington would have been strung up as a terrorist leader, and now he's a beloved founder the Free world. I don't see why Finland and Sweden can't expel any Kurdish "freedom" organizations to safety in Kurdistan.Are they really terror organization?
I'm thinking the troll needs to be ignored. He's pushing pure Putin apologia.Rubbish. It's not "The" Ukraine any more than it's The Russia. You're either espousing or fallen for the Russian tropes.
Thump's example of the assailant holding a gun and demanding his wallet - is a great example.....I'd dearly love to know what this "clever diplomatic" solution looked like....
According to the EU - yes.Are they really terror organization? So they can be brutally murdered?
I spent quite a bit of time in Kurdistan and at KDP headquarters near Irbel. They didn't seem very "terroristy" to me.
So much for your "facts" - maybe you should really read up the "facts"
- Dialogue and cooperation started when newly independent Ukraine joined the North Atlantic Cooperation Council (1991) and the Partnership for Peace programme (1994).
- Relations were strengthened with the signing of the 1997 Charter on a Distinctive Partnership, which established the NATO-Ukraine Commission (NUC) to take cooperation forward.
- Since 2009, the NUC has overseen Ukraine's Euro-Atlantic integration process, including reforms under the Annual National Programme (ANP).
- Cooperation has deepened over time and is mutually beneficial, with Ukraine actively contributing to NATO-led operations and missions.
- Priority is given to support for comprehensive reform in the security and defence sector, which is vital for Ukraine's democratic development and for strengthening its ability to defend itself.
And again:
there were two options for NATO and the Ukraine latest since 2019, a clever diplomatic one, or a rather stupid/arrogant one - unfortunately NATO and Ukraine opted for the latter one.
And now since February 2022 we have to deal with the result of their preferred option.
Thump's example of the assailant holding a gun and demanding his wallet - is a great example.
We cannot expect that a criminal respects or acts according to our civilized expectations or interpretation towards such actions. Upon understanding that, most important is to avoid dark alleys in the first place and not to walk there on purpose in order to prove a point.
1. The UN framework has clear provisions as to how and what decides upon the "belonging" of territories (respectively the inhabitants free decision making process in such a case)
This has been executed already many times successfully were UN observers and troops ensure fair and free polls. - the same process should have been implemented in regards to Crimea
latest since 2015. Till an agreement is reached - sanction Russia until Putin respectively Russia pukes.
2. NATO and the UN vouch for the freedom of the Ukraine - making it absolutely clear that if Russia attacks Ukraine, NATO and the UN are legible to intervene militarily, in order to stress
the "resolute will" NATO and the UN or just NATO stations 3-4 divisions in e.g. Poland and Romania. In return Ukraine commit themselves towards absolute neutrality. (They can bring in military advisers from e.g. Israel, Sweden, Switzerland, Finland or whoever except from NATO members) in order to enhance the Ukrainian Armed Forces.
As for 2. at least as long as a Putin or alike rules Russia - no one knows as to who rules Russia in the future - that's why smart politics take years to work - unless one doesn't care about a war maybe happening due to stupid and rash actions.
As for Putin maybe supporting or planing to support subversive actions in other Ukraine regions - well introduce the known counter measures. And again as for 1. there is a clear UN framework to handle such actions or the inhabitants wishes.
It's all actually known, proven and very simple to do - if one wishes to do so. And is far cheaper then later having to invest a trillion $ in order to get a totally devastated country back on track - needless to mention tens of thousands of civilians not getting killed in the first place.
In the absolute worst case - whatever Putin can't have of the Ukraine he will nuke the place to the dark ages (During western heading winds) - making sure that NATO won't get any benefit out of it. Just like the criminal will shot Thump, if he won't give him his lizard skin boots.
So unless one want's to risk his life by walking into a dark alley in order to proof a point (telling the criminal to think about his action, throw away his gun and just walk of and become a better person) don't walk stupidly into a dark alley.
It's from the link, given in Graugeist's post and accessible on any official NATO site.I'd like to see a valid source for the emboldened claim you've made. Be specific: name the operations and forces involved, and the dates, and link to the source for this information, please.
That's the only point that might indicate a serious military relationship with NATO. Please support it.
Additionally, a sovereign nation has the right to determine its own foreign policy -- agree, or disagree?
No, it's what politicians are paid end elected to do - act before things go bad.It's easy to be smart after the event.
It's from the link, given in Graugeist's post and accessible on any official NATO site.
Relations with Ukraine
The security of Ukraine is of great importance to NATO and its member states. The Alliance fully supports Ukraine’s inherent right to self-defence, and its right to choose its own security arrangements. Ukraine’s future is in NATO. Relations between NATO and Ukraine date back to the early 1990s...www.nato.int
No, it's what politicians are paid end elected to do - act before things go bad.
Any person knowledgeable with the Russian-Ukrain issue knew about this latest since 2014.
He won't and he spun the hell out of several points on their page (which let the air out of his narrative, btw).I notice you didn't answer my question.