"All of Vlad's forces and all of Vlad's men, are out to put Humpty together again." (4 Viewers)

Greg Boeser · Jul 31, 2022

Perhaps they are hoping that the NATO troops will be as effective as previous peacekeeping forces.

Snautzer01 · Jul 31, 2022

If it is true (doubtfull i must say) this will not going to be a peace keeping task. Bunch of very weak, poorly trained band of hooligans will not be a problem for Nato in anger.

GTX · Jul 31, 2022

Ukraine's 'ticking clock' to reclaim the city of Kherson before Russia can annex it

The battle for Kherson looms as a pivotal moment for both Ukraine and Russia, experts say, and Ukraine retaking the city would be a huge blow to Russia and an embarrassing setback for President Vladimir Putin.

www.abc.net.au

Thumpalumpacus · Jul 31, 2022

GTX said:
Ukraine's 'ticking clock' to reclaim the city of Kherson before Russia can annex it

The battle for Kherson looms as a pivotal moment for both Ukraine and Russia, experts say, and Ukraine retaking the city would be a huge blow to Russia and an embarrassing setback for President Vladimir Putin.

www.abc.net.au

The Ukrainian offensive towards Kherson is clearly designed to split the Russian front in order to provide an opportunity for defeat in detail of at least the Russian forces occupying the Black Sea coast. That has to be done if Ukraine wants to keep its economy going.

If my guess is in the neighborhood of being right, only after the sea-coast is cleared will the Ukrainians attempt to clear the Donbas. Ukrainian forces in the south can then pivot on their right flank and present a southern threat to Russian forces in the Donbas -- if enough Ukrainian men and supplies are in place.

This is not to say that Ukraine is or is not capable of pulling off this plan; but if they are, it could be feasible. At the very least, if the Ukrainians take Kherson, they've emplaced a major impediment to any Russian withdrawal from the south coast.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · Jul 31, 2022

Greg Boeser said:
Perhaps they are hoping that the NATO troops will be as effective as previous peacekeeping forces.

What do you mean? The NATO peacekeeping mission in Kosovo has been highly successful and effective. KFOR has been maintaining the peace for over 2 decades now.

wlewisiii · Jul 31, 2022

Greg Boeser · Jul 31, 2022

DerAdlerIstGelandet said:
What do you mean? The NATO peacekeeping mission is Kosovo has been highly successful and effective. KFOR has been maintaining the peace for over 2 decades now.

Srebrinica.
Rwanda.
Congo.
Many others.
Although, I believe the equation has changed. Western leaders are recognizing that they cannot turn a blind eye to aggression in the hopes of avoiding "escalation." It's what Putin was counting on when he started this mess.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · Jul 31, 2022

Greg Boeser said:
Srebrinica.
Rwanda.
Congo.
Many others.
Although, I believe the equation has changed. Western leaders are recognizing that they cannot turn a blind eye to aggression in the hopes of avoiding "escalation." It's what Putin was counting on when he started this mess.

Yeah, but we are talking directly about Serbia and Kosovo which has an effective and highly successful NATO peace keeping mission. Why would Serbia think anything different?

Greg Boeser · Jul 31, 2022

Because desperate people do desperate things.
Perhaps he's just rattling sabres because Putin needs him to cause a distraction.
Or maybe he sees this as his last chance at reasserting Serbian control, while everyone is preoccuppied with Ukraine.

Thumpalumpacus · Jul 31, 2022

Greg Boeser said:
Srebrinica.
Rwanda.
Congo.
Many others.
Although, I believe the equation has changed. Western leaders are recognizing that they cannot turn a blind eye to aggression in the hopes of avoiding "escalation." It's what Putin was counting on when he started this mess.

NATO did not intervene in Rwanda. I don't think they did so in Congo. The intervention in the Balkans did actually quell the war there.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · Jul 31, 2022

Greg Boeser said:
Because desperate people do desperate things.
Perhaps he's just rattling sabres because Putin needs him to cause a distraction.
Or maybe he sees this as his last chance at reasserting Serbian control, while everyone is preoccuppied with Ukraine.

He's a fool then…

DerAdlerIstGelandet · Jul 31, 2022

Thumpalumpacus said:
NATO did not intervene in Rwanda. I don't think they did so in Congo. The intervention in the Balkans did actually quell the war there.

The Balkans intervention was textbook and highly successful.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · Jul 31, 2022

And lets not forget the fact that any multinational force is only good if it is unified. Right now NATO has never been this unified (to the dismay of several good buddies). Forcing NATO peacekeeping forces to intervene in Kosovo would be a dreadful mistake.

Admiral Beez · Jul 31, 2022

wlewisiii said:
Putler's puppet is getting ready to start a 2nd front. Apparently they don't care about the 4000 NATO troops stationed in Kosovo.

The Serbians do like to start global conflagrations.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · Jul 31, 2022

Admiral Beez said:
The Serbians do like to start global conflagrations.

The Serbians certainly do like to push buttons. Every time we flew border traces along the Serbian-Kosovo border, the Serbs would light up their SAM radars and paint us even though we were clearly on the Kosovo side of the line.

Good times…

Greg Boeser · Jul 31, 2022

I'm sure they were just calibrating.

Glider · Jul 31, 2022

I wonder if Putin is using this to try and estimate how willing Nato are to actually fight. If Serbia do take action and Nato go into it's, 'oh dear lets talk about it mode'. Then that might encourage him to push his luck in Ukraine.
If Nato do react with force, then its bad luck on Serbia, which wouldn't worry him one jot.

GrauGeist · Jul 31, 2022

You know Putin is trying to find ways to distract from Ukraine and Serbia would be one such attempt.

As far as the great Russian Navy being a world power, they have to get past Ukraine before taking on the USN. So far, that's not really working out too well.

The above mentioned Congo and Rwanda situations were not handled by NATO, it was UN peacekeeping missions.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · Jul 31, 2022

GrauGeist said:
The above mentioned Congo and Rwanda situations were not handled by NATO, it was UN peacekeeping missions.

Correct, and largely using poorly trained soldiers from other African Nations to make up the forces I believe. Although western nations did provide some forces.

Thumpalumpacus · Jul 31, 2022

Glider said:
I wonder if Putin is using this to try and estimate how willing Nato are to actually fight. If Serbia do take action and Nato go into it's, 'oh dear lets talk about it mode'. Then that might encourage him to push his luck in Ukraine.
If Nato do react with force, then its bad luck on Serbia, which wouldn't worry him one jot.

Does NATO have an obligation to defend Croatia?

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