Admiral Beez
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I'd say yes, aren't they a full NATO member?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croatia–NATO_relations
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croatia–NATO_relations
I don't believe there is any NATO peacekeeping force in Croatia. I know we still had some bases in Bosnia though. We always used a Spanish base in Mostar to refuel our helicopters when we flew to and from Germany.
Edit: see my very next post.
Admiral is correct. They are a NATO nation.
Thumpalumpacus
Major
This is why I ask questions -- to fill in blanks in my knowledge. Thanks for doing so.
I don't know for the life of me why I forgot they were a NATO nation.
Thumpalumpacus
Major
They had more consonants than vowels in their names. That shit's hard to remember, "Krysmthnsywaben". We just called them "Alphabet", sure you remember that.
Admiral Beez
Major
Albania and Montenegro too. Serbia is surrounded by NATO.
Kosovo and Bosnia are not in NATO, but the latter is an applicant and the US has promised to defend Bosnia if attacked.
Bosnia and Herzegovina–NATO relations - Wikipedia
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GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
I've always been curious as to why Austria never joined NATO.
Greg Boeser
1st Sergeant
They were occupied and divided like Germany after the war. One of the conditions for ending the occupation was a pledge of permanent neutrality.
It's due to the 1955 Austrian State Treaty which prohibits Austria from forming alliances with other countries and
also prohibits any foreign military from being on Austrian territory.
I think there is also something in their constitution as well.
Austria certainly seems to be an odd bod in all of that.
Greg Boeser
1st Sergeant
Being under foreign occupation does that.
Sometimes what seems like a good idea does have future ramifications........ invading neighbours and setting up puppet governments comes to mind.....
Greg Boeser
1st Sergeant
It's that whole "Carthage must be destroyed!" Mentality. Once the earth is salted, and the populace has been sold off into slavery, then what?
I wonder if Putin has considered this question?
I wonder if Putin has considered this question?
Move on for no particular reason to the next Carthage ?
"Austria is bound to neutrality by the 1955 Austrian State Treaty and its constitution, which prohibits entry into military alliances and the establishment of foreign military bases on Austrian territory."
Neutral European countries
nato.gov.si
Having said that, they have joined in multinational peacekeeping missions, just not military combat operations. They were part of the German-Swiss-Austrian contingent in Kosovo for example.
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GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
That's a rather strict treaty, sort of like Japan.
Wonder if it has it's roots in the Austro-Hungarian Empire memory, since Austria wasn't a belligerent in WWII.
Wonder if it has it's roots in the Austro-Hungarian Empire memory, since Austria wasn't a belligerent in WWII.
swampyankee
Chief Master Sergeant
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The Anschluss meant that Austria was part of the German Reich. It, like Nebraska, wasn't a belligerent because it was not an independent sovereign state.
RogerdeLluria
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I would not worry too much about Serbia. It's just a bit a sabre rattling over car license plates, yes all this mess is over a thing so mundane as car plates.
In 2011, an agreement was concluded between Serbia and Kosovo on the use of neutral documents and license plates by the northerners of Kosovo, which expire on August 1, 2022. After that, Serbian citizens entering the territory of the republic will receive temporary Kosovo documents on crossing the border, and Serbian ones will be invalid. Serbia does not recognize the independence of Kosovo and does not consider it possible for Kosovo to establish rules for the registration of cars. On August 1 (that is, today), after negotiations with representatives of the US and the EU, the Kosovo authorities temporarily postponed the ban on Serbian documents until September 1.
On the other hand Serbia (Serbian government at least, population is quite pro Russian on the Ukrainian issue) is leaning more and more towards west. After all they will be much better as part of EU than as a Russian puppet state.
www.reuters.com
www.b92.net
www.euractiv.com
In 2011, an agreement was concluded between Serbia and Kosovo on the use of neutral documents and license plates by the northerners of Kosovo, which expire on August 1, 2022. After that, Serbian citizens entering the territory of the republic will receive temporary Kosovo documents on crossing the border, and Serbian ones will be invalid. Serbia does not recognize the independence of Kosovo and does not consider it possible for Kosovo to establish rules for the registration of cars. On August 1 (that is, today), after negotiations with representatives of the US and the EU, the Kosovo authorities temporarily postponed the ban on Serbian documents until September 1.
On the other hand Serbia (Serbian government at least, population is quite pro Russian on the Ukrainian issue) is leaning more and more towards west. After all they will be much better as part of EU than as a Russian puppet state.
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RogerdeLluria
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Oryx have visually confirmed that Russians have lost at least 5000 vehicles including 900 tanks.
With those numbers i wonder what benefit do the Russians, and Putin in particular, expect from this war.
With those numbers i wonder what benefit do the Russians, and Putin in particular, expect from this war.
Admiral Beez
Major
Putin misread the situation in Ukraine and the willingness of NATO and the world to intervene; so he expected a cakewalk. The invasion of Ukraine is going to enter history's list of large scale, geopolitical-changing military blunders, like Barbarossa and Pearl Harbour.
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