Thumpalumpacus
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I get how hard it can be, I just felt the need to speak up.
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None of us want that. As we stated we eased the "no politics" rule and you all have been great. I thank you all for that. Some, however, want to keep pushing the barriers though.
Let's hope it does not come to that…
I get how hard it can be, I just felt the need to speak up.
If the US refuses to release F-16s or other country's jets that rely on US tech, like the Gripen, what options does Ukraine have? How about the Eurofighter, are they free of US tech, but are there any to spare?
I get the sense that Ukraine will get what it needs to hold back to Russians, but not enough to take the well defended and prepared Donbas.
These discoveries of atrocities infuriates me to no end.Zelensky says ‘torture chambers’ where civilians were abused found in Kharkiv region
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said on Friday that Ukraine has found “torture chambers” where civilians were abused in areas of the Kharkiv region recently liberated from Russian occupation. Zelensky said in an address that officials found premises where civilians were kept, including...www.yahoo.com
For something like that I would torture and kill every Orc I could get my hands on. Sons of Moscow Brothel Pigs !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Chris - we may expend $trillion, draw down our readiness inventory to fight One conventional win, suffer the inflation that comes with unconstrained spending that requires the Fed to print money. Explain to our (US/American People in the steets/ the 'win'? or conversely 'why it doesn't matter'?
And now to return to the true topic at hand…
Here's a reason to keep fighting. Here's a reason to support Ukraine. Here's a reason Vladoph Putler and Russia must be stopped.
At Mass Grave Site in Ukraine's Northeast, a Sign of Occupation's Toll
IZIUM, Ukraine — Hundreds of graves had been cut into the sandy soil of a pine forest, isolated and unexamined. A chilly wind blew through the tree branches. Police officers spoke in hushed tones. And newly dug up bodies lay all about on the forest floor. Just a week after Russian forces fled...www.yahoo.com
PLEASENow can you please drop the goddamned politics before this thread gets killed? If you wish to discuss it with someone, use the PM system instead of wrecking what many in this community appreciate.
It's almost as if you guys are trying to scupper this thread, fer chrissakes.
It's possible the families of the dead were the ones who had to bury them ?I'd like to see more info about the mass grave. The images that I've seen show lots of neatly-aligned crosses over individual burial plots which doesn't really tally with what we typically see in a hidden mass grave. Now, Ukrainians who knew relatives had been killed may have come to the place later to mark the burial site...but they'd have to know where their loved one was buried. I'm still a little nonplussed by the individual graves and crosses.
It's possible the families of the dead were the ones who had to bury them ?
Hard to know isn't it. Reporting can sometimes exaggerate what is what so we will have to wait and see I suppose.I agree...but, then, it's hardly a secret burial site. And if the families buried them, would they do it with the evidence of torture intact? The BBC reported that the first grave was of a woman who had a rope around her neck. It strikes me as odd that the family would bury her in such a fashion. Also, why would the Russians allow family members to bury their relatives with evidence of torture intact?
The whole thing just seems odd to me. The commonly-understood concept of a mass grave is of a large pit with bodies tossed in en masse. There are no grave markers and, typically, the perpetrators try to keep the location secret so their crimes go undetected.
This whole thing just feels odd to me. Hopefully, there will be procedurally-correct investigations to get to the bottom of it.
EDIT: Having read a little more, I think we're seeing multiple activities here. There was at least one mass grave that contained 20 Ukrainian soldiers. Other graves are individual, probably the deaths of civilians due to artillery or other weapons. It still seems odd that the mass grave of soldiers would be in the same place as individual family burials but it's a little clearer and more understandable now.