"All of Vlad's forces and all of Vlad's men, are out to put Humpty together again."
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Same goes for other types too...and for fighter aircraft (though maybe not as pillboxes).
Admiral Beez
Captain
But why does Germany care what Russia thinks? Heck, even the neutral Swiss are making noise about Leopard tanks.
Swiss say Germany can freely dispose of Leopard 2 tanks sold back to Rheinmetall
Switzerland's defence procurement office said on Friday it had given the go-ahead for Germany to freely dispose of Leopard 2 tanks previously sold back to defence group Rheinmetall.
Does that even require an answer?
SaparotRob
Unter Gemeine Geschwader Murmeltier XIII
Perhaps we can send some Abrams engines to Ukrainian tank servicing centers. Just to give mechanics something to start tinkering around with.
Its getting off-topic but the biggest issue with AGT1500 engines from the Abrams is the supply of parts from Honeywell.
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
Any NATO tank sent to Ukraine requires a series of events, regardless of who's tank it is.
First of all, training. Western tanks have different crewing, optics and such that will require training to make the tank effective on the battlefield.
Second, ammunition. Western tanks will require their own ammunition supplies.
Third, logistics. The tanks will need mechanics, which will need to be trained on the type in order to keep it battle ready and let's not forget spare parts.
All of this cannot be done overnight and there is no magic wand to make it happen.
Providing Ukraine with Soviet/Russian armor allows a seamless transfer into action as well as an infinite supply of ammunition that the Russians keep providing.
First of all, training. Western tanks have different crewing, optics and such that will require training to make the tank effective on the battlefield.
Second, ammunition. Western tanks will require their own ammunition supplies.
Third, logistics. The tanks will need mechanics, which will need to be trained on the type in order to keep it battle ready and let's not forget spare parts.
All of this cannot be done overnight and there is no magic wand to make it happen.
Providing Ukraine with Soviet/Russian armor allows a seamless transfer into action as well as an infinite supply of ammunition that the Russians keep providing.
Admiral Beez
Captain
Are there any more T-72, T-80 and T-90 tanks out there that can be sent to Ukraine? Iraq is a big operator of the type. Perhaps the US can broker a deal? It's too bad India is on the fence, as they have thousands of Russian designed, locally produced tanks.
Has Germany promised more than anyone else?
You seem to complain about everyone not supplying one thing or another, but ignore the logistics and political aspects if it.
I suggest you write the Canadian government and tell them to do more. Send tanks, fighters, bombers, and artillery pieces. Hell, send the Canadian Mounties.
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buffnut453
Captain
More protests against the draft, this time in Dagestan. Some of the comments from people involved in the protest make it abundantly clear that at least some Russians understand what's happening in Ukraine and that the invasion was nothing more than a ruse by Putin to justify his land grab.
Ukraine war: Protests in Russian Dagestan region against new draft
Demonstrators clashed with security officials, in rare violent backlashes against police.
www.bbc.com
around 400 more in Poland (half of them in PT91 standard), i believe will be send to Ukraine as soon as US will start M1 deliveries. Polish crews training is already in progress in Poznan with older version of M1s delivered from US stocks
Thumpalumpacus
Major
Not to mention its high rate of fuel consumption.
Thumpalumpacus
Major
Around Kherson, this next week's weather forecast is four days of rain. Around Kharkiv, five days. I doubt the Russians will be able to mount another offensive until the mud freezes, usually around January or so.
This will of course hamper Ukrainian offensive potential as well. It looks like the next two or three months will settle down into static warfare, until the ground freezes.
This will of course hamper Ukrainian offensive potential as well. It looks like the next two or three months will settle down into static warfare, until the ground freezes.
Admiral Beez
Captain
I suppose the same applies to any Ukrainian offensive. Too bad, as they have the momentum.
MiTasol
1st Lieutenant
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Glider
Captain
The one advantage of General Winter setting in is that the intensity of the fighting is likely to reduce a touch and that gives the Ukraine 6 months to get any training needed for Leopard 2, M1 or F16.
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
I honestly doubt that the onset of the wet months of Fall and then Winter setting in will curb the Ukrainian offensive.
It may slow their momentum, but Russia best not assume that bad weather is going to keep them safe.
Let's spin the way-back wheel to the Winter War and observe how the Soviets fared against Finland.
Ukraine (who is also now a member of the f**k around and find out club) has the home-field advantage, the same tenacity and the same goals as Finland did.
I honestly pity any Russians who are still in Ukraine when Winter sets in.
*almost forgot* I was also going to touch on a previously mentioned fact that it was the Ukrainian regiment in the Red Army during WWII that was ferocious and spearheaded most of their battles against German and Axis elements.
Which also seems to be a bit of history that Russia has forgotten.
en.m.wikipedia.org
It may slow their momentum, but Russia best not assume that bad weather is going to keep them safe.
Let's spin the way-back wheel to the Winter War and observe how the Soviets fared against Finland.
Ukraine (who is also now a member of the f**k around and find out club) has the home-field advantage, the same tenacity and the same goals as Finland did.
I honestly pity any Russians who are still in Ukraine when Winter sets in.
*almost forgot* I was also going to touch on a previously mentioned fact that it was the Ukrainian regiment in the Red Army during WWII that was ferocious and spearheaded most of their battles against German and Axis elements.
Which also seems to be a bit of history that Russia has forgotten.
1st Ukrainian Front - Wikipedia
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SaparotRob
Unter Gemeine Geschwader Murmeltier XIII
I doubt Russian troops are any better equipped than they were in 1939.
Thumpalumpacus
Major
One thing I read and saw on video today is that the new conscripts reporting with personal gear -- including guns -- see that personal property confiscated by the Russian army.
Another thing I saw was the video posted upthread (by
GTX
iirc) showing the AKs currently being issued ... covered in rust from barrel to buttstock.
