"All of Vlad's forces and all of Vlad's men, are out to put Humpty together again." (6 Viewers)

[MiTasol]

The RAN is well above the capability of the RCN. I ran a quick comparison via ChatGPT (so take it with bag of salt):

"Make me a comparison chart of the RCN vs the RAN"

Feature	Royal Canadian Navy (RCN)	Royal Australian Navy (RAN)
Founded	1910	1913
Headquarters	Ottawa, Ontario	Canberra, Australian Capital Territory
Motto	"Safer Seas, Stronger Canada"	"Integrity, Capability, Loyalty"
Fleet Size	Approximately 30 ships (as of 2023)	Approximately 50 ships (as of 2023)
Submarines	4 modern submarines (Victoria class)	6 modern submarines (Collins class)
Surface Combatants	12 Halifax-class frigates	9 Anzac-class frigates, 3 Hobart-class destroyers
Support Vessels	Auxiliary ships, replenishment ships	Supply ships, hydrographic vessels
Air Arm	CH-148 Cyclone helicopters, fixed-wing support	MH-60R Seahawk, MRH-90 Taipan helicopters
Operational Focus	Arctic operations, anti-submarine warfare	Regional security, humanitarian missions
International Alliances	NATO, Commonwealth, various coalitions	ANZUS, Commonwealth, various coalitions
Major Exercises	RIMPAC, TRIDENT JUNCTURE, and others	RIMPAC, Talisman Sabre, and others
Current Challenges	Aging fleet, modernization needs	Capacity expansion, balancing regional threats

A quick eye will see that calling the Victoria class SSKs modern is a stretch, while the RAN is missing its Canberra-class LHDs. Damn Canada should have bought those Mistrals.

The Anzac frigates are way down on the performance of the German frigates they are licenced copies of because of the Au "improvements" and the Taipan helicopters have all been broken up and buried - instead of being given to Ukraine who wanted them and could have successfully operated them.
At 30 years old the Collins subs are like your Victoria class boats - technological dinosaurs.

 

[Admiral Beez]

The Anzac frigates are way down on the performance of the German frigates they are licenced copies of because of the Au "improvements" and the Taipan helicopters have all been broken up and buried - instead of being given to Ukraine who wanted them and could have successfully operated them.
At 30 years old the Collins subs are like your Victoria class boats - technological dinosaurs.

Our CH-148 Cyclone helicopters are apparently maintenance hogs at risk of being death traps. I wouldn't wish them upon Ukraine. I can't think of a time other than the CF-100 where Canada was the near-only other operator of a type.

 

[JDCAVE]

That while lot of doing nothing (in excess of $400 Billion and counting) certainly has helped give Putin a bloody nose. While I strongly believe more should be done and faster, to say that "the west would do nothing and he was right" is disingenuous.

I don't dispute the need for the money and it was certainly necessary. But it's a whole lot easier to complain about Putin's actions and write a cheque, than to directly engage. I'm sure supplying arms and munitions were included in Putin's calculus, likewise included in his calculus was NATO would not intervene and he was correct. As mentioned. We have seen this war before in 1939.

Disingenuous: "of a person or their behaviour) slightly dishonest, or not speaking the complete truth"

Well, that was my opinion. I don't think your use of the term applies in this case.

 

[Thumpalumpacus]

I think Putin miscalculated the Western support drastically, though I think t was an understandable mistake. In the leadup to his invasion, Western warnings were shallow and weak. Only after Ukraine stood off the first push and caught the imagination of the Western public did Western govt's get on board -- following public opinion, as it were.

I don't think Putin's Russian took that into account and balanced for Western arms supplies -- nor the Ukrainian guts that drove that Western support. It's an understandable miscalculation on Putin's part -- but it's still a miscalculation.