B-17 Nitemare shot down 7-26-43

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    Hello everyone. I am researching the crash of B-17F "Nitemare" on July 26, 1943. Nitemare belonged to the 91st Bomb Group, 324th Squadron. Nitemare was lost on a mission to Hamburg and was initially hit by flak causing it to spin out of control from 26,000 feet to 5,000 feet before control was regained. Three ME-109's were seen to attack the B-17 after recovering from the spin. All but the radio operator bailed out. The ball turret gunner was killed when his chute did not open, and two were killed by the German Army while trying to escape.

    I am looking for a way to determine which Luftwaffe pilot was credited with the kill, and any information about the crash, or crewmembers who are still living or their relatives. The following information describes the crew:

    Of those that survived when she was shot down, I know that the
    following are dead: Rendall (died early 80s), Brack (died mid 90s),
    Johnson (not sure when; was told by someone he was dead), and Murray
    (he died Oct 30 2001). I had interviewed Brunty, Murray, and Ramsey.
    The phone number I had for Brunty is no longer a "valid" number. Too
    late to try the one I had for Ramsey (PA number). Neither name turns
    up a phone number when run through the locator, however. Too many
    with those names in the Social Security Death index to try to check on death.

    Brunty told me that Monohan (radio operator) was shot and killed in the air and that Oyler was trapped in the ball turret and could not get out.

    Any help with information about the families of the crew, German Luftwaffe claims on this date, and such is appreciated.

    Thanks!
     
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    cool site.. This is asking a lot but is there any place to view the film references as mentioned on the claim sheets?
     
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    in most probability it was either III./JG 1 or II./JG 11 flying Bf 109G-5's and G-6's
     
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    I remember reading something about referances, Erich would probably know for sure. Also take a look around here. All kinds of references to different museums on different stuff.

    LWAG :: Index
     
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    if it was one of these bombers shot down you are looking for an herausschuss on this date.

    source kagero JG1 1939-43

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    it was a combination of fighters from JG 1 and 11 which were in the same area and this is what makes it difficult as they were both covering the northern roads into Germany in 1943 asking with JG 26 of which only one gruppe was engaged on this date.
     
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