FLYBOYJ
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Hmmm. Can you provide some valid sources for that statement?!?!?
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Hmmm. Can you provide some valid sources for that statement?!?!?At that point the USA and the UK were not even allies and hadn't been on good terms since 1776/83.
At that point the USA and the UK were not even allies and hadn't been on good terms since 1776/83.
If the old money of the UK and the new money of the USA had continued marrying each other the two could have ended up as a single entity, Churchill himself was the product of such a union, and lets not even mention Mrs SimpsonWhile there were certainly anglophobes of various sorts, US-UK relations were not fraught, and hadn't been since before the Trent Affair during the Civil War; had that involved a ship of many other nations, say Prussia, it could have resulted in war. Do remember that the land border between the US and Canada was demilitarized long before Canada was, in any legal sense, independent.
Try searching 'YOUTUBE' for 'War Plan Red'. I think perhaps the best description of our relationship would be that we were competitors. Post war the UK built 3 different V bombers each with its own special attributes. The Vulcan was almost stealth it appeared as a flock of birds on a radar screen and it had the range to hit most industrial sites in the USSR from our bases in the UK and Cyprus. The Victor had ultra long range and from Goose Bay in Canada could hit everywhere in the continental US. The Valiant had STOL capability so ideal for operation in SE Asia.Hmmm. Can you provide some valid sources for that statement?!?!?
Try searching 'YOUTUBE' for 'War Plan Red'. I think perhaps the best description of our relationship would be that we were competitors. Post war the UK built 3 different V bombers each with its own special attributes. The Vulcan was almost stealth it appeared as a flock of birds on a radar screen and it had the range to hit most industrial sites in the USSR from our bases in the UK and Cyprus. The Victor had ultra long range and from Goose Bay in Canada could hit everywhere in the continental US. The Valiant had STOL capability so ideal for operation in SE Asia.While there were certainly anglophobes of various sorts, US-UK relations were not fraught, and hadn't been since before the Trent Affair during the Civil War; had that involved a ship of many other nations, say Prussia, it could have resulted in war. Do remember that the land border between the US and Canada was demilitarized long before Canada was, in any legal sense, independent.
Try searching 'YOUTUBE' for 'War Plan Red'. I think perhaps the best description of our relationship would be that we were competitors. Post war the UK built 3 different V bombers each with its own special attributes. The Vulcan was almost stealth it appeared as a flock of birds on a radar screen and it had the range to hit most industrial sites in the USSR from our bases in the UK and Cyprus. The Victor had ultra long range and from Goose Bay in Canada could hit everywhere in the continental US. The Valiant had STOL capability so ideal for operation in SE Asia.See US neutrality patrol.
Or see US aid to Britain in First World War.
You could also hypothesise about Victors and Vulcans reaching anywhere in Scotland from bases in England, it doesn't mean that nuclear war between England and Scotland was ever considered or a possibility.Try searching 'YOUTUBE' for 'War Plan Red'. I think perhaps the best description of our relationship would be that we were competitors. Post war the UK built 3 different V bombers each with its own special attributes. The Vulcan was almost stealth it appeared as a flock of birds on a radar screen and it had the range to hit most industrial sites in the USSR from our bases in the UK and Cyprus. The Victor had ultra long range and from Goose Bay in Canada could hit everywhere in the continental US. The Valiant had STOL capability so ideal for operation in SE Asia.
Try searching 'YOUTUBE' for 'War Plan Red'. I think perhaps the best description of our relationship would be that we were competitors. Post war the UK built 3 different V bombers each with its own special attributes. The Vulcan was almost stealth it appeared as a flock of birds on a radar screen and it had the range to hit most industrial sites in the USSR from our bases in the UK and Cyprus. The Victor had ultra long range and from Goose Bay in Canada could hit everywhere in the continental US. The Valiant had STOL capability so ideal for operation in SE Asia.
Everyone seems to forget that post-war we developed nuclear weapons and the means to deliver them, not because the USSR had them but because the Americans had them.You could also hypothesise about Victors and Vulcans reaching anywhere in Scotland from bases in England, it doesn't mean that nuclear war between England and Scotland was ever considered or a possibility.
Remember War Plan Red? Yes, we shared common interests, but the Americans gave us Lease-Lend when our cash ran out because like if your neighbours house was burning down you lent him all you could do help him, even helped him yourself as far as you could. We had to pay for what we used and it took us sixty years to pay it all off. Part of the price was American access to our Empire's markets. We weren't allies until December 1941. Neither were the Irish our allies, but they granted us the Irish Air Corridor, look it up, and they really were neutral. It didn't stop some of their boys coming across the Irish Sea to help us though because they figured if the Germans got through us then they'd be next.Hmmm. Can you provide some valid sources for that statement?!?!?
Who is "we" the Manhattan project was a collaboration, some of the early work was done in what is now my local community centre in N England. The UK developed its own nuclear weapon to be independent. It is impossible to guarantee that the USA would intervene in a conflict with Russia. The French did the same.Everyone seems to forget that post-war we developed nuclear weapons and the means to deliver them, not because the USSR had them but because the Americans had them.
Remember War Plan Red? Yes, we shared common interests, but the Americans gave us Lease-Lend when our cash ran out because like if your neighbours house was burning down you lent him all you could do help him, even helped him yourself as far as you could. We had to pay for what we used and it took us sixty years to pay it all off. Part of the price was American access to our Empire's markets. We weren't allies until December 1941. Neither were the Irish our allies, but they granted us the Irish Air Corridor, look it up, and they really were neutral. It didn't stop some of their boys coming across the Irish Sea to help us though because they figured if the Germans got through us then they'd be next.
Try searching 'YOUTUBE' for 'War Plan Red'. I think perhaps the best description of our relationship would be that we were competitors. Post war the UK built 3 different V bombers each with its own special attributes. The Vulcan was almost stealth it appeared as a flock of birds on a radar screen and it had the range to hit most industrial sites in the USSR from our bases in the UK and Cyprus. The Victor had ultra long range and from Goose Bay in Canada could hit everywhere in the continental US. The Valiant had STOL capability so ideal for operation in SE Asia.
I would think another aspect is that a plan by the USA for conflict with the UK would be the only one they could actually "war game" to evaluate how much a "plan" works in reality.I would note that a "war plan" is, as FlyboyJ says, a "plan" and is often done to evaluate future needs and procurement over a number of years.
The Subject of such a plan is often the strongest possible opponent rather than a probable opponent. In part because if you plan for the strongest opponent then you should be in good shape for any lesser opponent and have a reserve for 'surprises'. Like last minute alliances. Britain Pre WW I usually tried to plan to take on the next two biggest navies in the world regardless of how well things may have been going diplomatically in any given year.
Me too...except for the signature Convair tail!I always thought it was a good looking aircraft.