Best Aerobatic Team?

[alexyflemming]

Could you please put the two photos together. BOTH ARE PERFECT!

 

[FLYBOYJ]

Could you please put the two photos together. BOTH ARE PERFECT!

I will when you answer my question

 

[alexyflemming]

Answer:
I did NOT fly with F-16 or F-5. I have friends that experienced that! I flied with a jet, not as a pilot.

By the way: Thank you for your picture: I did NOT see that ever before.

 

[Messy1]

Here's a pretty good shot. Looks pretty precise.

 

[FLYBOYJ]

Answer:
I did NOT fly with F-16 or F-5. I have friends that experienced that! I flied with a jet, not as a pilot.

By the way: Thank you for your picture: I did NOT see that ever before.

Thank you. Now here's another

 

[alexyflemming]

The videos of Blue Angles that I am sent was from a cockpit video.

Is there a 9-10 minutes video of Blue Angles or Thunderbirds that is from the ground? I googled, but not found.

 

[Messy1]

Is it easier or more difficult to be that precise with today's aircraft vs. 50 year ago with piston powered planes?

 

[alexyflemming]

Thank you. Now here's another

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The photo you sent last as the definition of Mirror Images is also very nice(An F-18 are placing the plane between the back wings of the definition of mirror image ): IT WOULD BE SUPER IF THAT PHOTOS CAN ENLARGE AS MUCH AS THE ONE I SENT.

 

[FLYBOYJ]

Is it easier or more difficult to be that precise with today's aircraft vs. 50 year ago with piston powered planes?

I've flown formation in jets (L29, 39) and GA recips. I had an easier time in the recips. Jets with long spool up times seem to be more difficult and I've been told this by other pilots.

 

[pbfoot]

pbfoot:
I wondered who are Snowbirds: I examined and found that:
Canadian Snowbirds:
Canadair CL-41 Tutor : (never exceed speed: 763 km/h).

I already seperated the Aerobatic Teams in two main groups:
HORSES: Supersonic ones.
DONKEYS: Not supersonic ones.

Snowbirds even cannot make Turkish Primary School pupils (accostomed to HIGH SPEED ADRENALIN SHOWS) enjoy with them some couple of hours. They get bored immediately. Surely!

VIDEOS ARE STILL WAITING (for the objectors)!

Whats funny is the guys who probably decided to have a team in Turkey were trained in Canada and your flying aircraft built in Canada , we gave ours to Botswana soon after you got our 104's

 

[FLYBOYJ]

Whats funny is the guys who probably decided to have a team in Turkey were trained in Canada and your flying aircraft built in Canada , we gave ours to Botswana soon after you got our 104's

Actually they are flying ex-Dutch F-5s.

 

[pbfoot]

Actually they are flying ex-Dutch F-5s.

Yep but they were made by Canadair almost clones of ours I'm not sure if they air to air refuellers though

 

[alexyflemming]

SUPERSONIC TEAMS
TURKISH STARS (NF5):
AirPower09 Day 1 F 53 Tiger Turkish Stars Part.2
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_gWkKxFT24

(
AirPower09 Day 1 F 53 Tiger Turkish Stars Part.1 :
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DC_R6DianU
AirPower09 Day 1 F 53 Tiger Turkish Stars Part.2 :
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_gWkKxFT24
AirPower09 Day 1 F 53 Tiger Turkish Stars Part.3 :
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFnIOf3QIzw
AirPower09 Day 1 F 53 Tiger Turkish Stars Part.4 :
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuNd0hg1f0c
AirPower09 Day 1 F 53 Tiger Turkish Stars Part.5 :
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0m9RFKrrVLE
)

BLUE ANGLES (with the old jets):

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGcxN2D1E34
BLUE ANGLES (with F-18A):
??
NON-SUPERSONIC TEAMS
??

 

[FLYBOYJ]

Yep but they were made by Canadair almost clones of ours I'm not sure if they air to air refuellers though

Yep!

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

1.

F-5 has already been proved to be the BEST SUPERSONIC JET FOR AEROBATIC SHOWS. Many analysis were done before selecting that jet.

Please show these analysis. If you are going to post them as facts, then you need to provide the sources and facts.

There are approximately 130 reasons why NF5 jets are the best jets for airshows.

Please list those 130 reasons, as well as sources and facts.

4.
Turkish Stars performs "mirror image" better than the others even under difficult conditions (high speed Low altitude)!

Please prove it. What are you qualifications in doing so, and where are your sources and facts that prove it.

ALSO: Members of Turkish Stars are elected from F-16 squadrons of Turkish Air Force (F-16 that ThunderBirds uses!). Members of Turkish Stars performed "<1 meter mirror image" with F-16s as well when they are in F-16 squadrons. So, the ABSENCE of "<1 meter mirror image" of ThunderBirds comes from NOT the potential of the jet they use, but the capability they have (more truly, they do NOT have)!

Your point being? The Thunderbirds are an actual combat squadron. If they are needed in combat they can be called upon. They train for combat situations. So I don't see what your point is. The Thunderbirds fly the same aircraft that they would fly in combat...

ThunderBirds uses F-16s, if their data is explained, then the capability of them is also revealed since there are F-16 squadrons in many countries. US Army does NOT want that.

Why would the US Army care about the F-16? The US Army does NOT use the F-16. The US Air Force uses the F-16. Two different entities...

 

[Messy1]

Alexy, are you looking for a mirror image such as this one that they Thunderbirds cannot do?

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

I already seperated the Aerobatic Teams in two main groups:
HORSES: Supersonic ones.
DONKEYS: Not supersonic ones.

Sorry, but you have no clue what you are talking about. The type of maneuvers that are done at airshows (the really crazy twisty turny stuff - too put it into terms that you might understand) are not conducted at high supersonic speeds...

By any team!

I Sent VIDEOS (TO WATCH), Pictures (TO LOOK).
I ALSO EXPECT VIDEOS AND PICTURES IN RESPONSE NATURALLY.

NO NEED TO READ SOMETHING. SEND VIDEO. ALL I WANT IS THAT.

Yet you don't understand the videos you are posting, or anything that you are posting.

 

[Messy1]

If I am not mistaken, the F5 was the basis for the T38 trainer in the US, which pilots trained in BEFORE they could step foot into a F-16. Explain to me how the F5 is a superior plane to the F16
F-16
General characteristics

* Crew: 1
* Length: 49 ft 5 in (14.8 m)
* Wingspan: 32 ft 8 in (9.8 m)
* Height: 16 ft (4.8 m)
* Wing area: 300 ft² (27.87 m²)
* Airfoil: NACA 64A204 root and tip
* Empty weight: 18,900 lb (8,670 kg)
* Loaded weight: 26,500 lb (12,000 kg)
* Max takeoff weight: 42,300 lb (19,200 kg)
* Powerplant: 1× F110-GE-100 afterburning turbofan
o Dry thrust: 17,155 lbf (76.3 kN)
o Thrust with afterburner: 28,600 lbf (128.9 kN)

Performance

* Maximum speed:
o At sea level: Mach 1.2 (915 mph, 1,470 km/h)
o At altitude: Mach 2+ (1,500 mph, 2,414 km/h)
* Combat radius: 340 mi (295 nm, 550 km) on a hi-lo-hi mission with six 1,000 lb (450 kg) bombs
* Ferry range: 2,280 NM (2,620 mi, 4,220 km) with drop tanks
* Service ceiling: 60,000+ ft (18,000+ m)
* Rate of climb: 50,000 ft/min (254 m/s)
* Wing loading: approx 40 lb/ft²[136] (430 kg/m²)
* Thrust/weight: 1.095
F5
General characteristics

* Crew: 1
* Length: 47 ft 4¾ in (14.45 m)
* Wingspan: 26 ft 8 in (8.13 m)
* Height: 13 ft 4½ in (4.08 m)
* Wing area: 186 ft² (17.28 m²)
* Airfoil: NACA 65A004.8 root, NACA 64A004.8 tip
* Empty weight: 9,558 lb (4,349 kg)
* Max takeoff weight: 24,664 lb (11,187 kg)
* Powerplant: 2× General Electric J85-GE-21B turbojet
o Dry thrust: 3,500 lbf (15.5 kN) each
o Thrust with afterburner: 5,000 lbf (22.2 kN) each
* *Zero-lift drag coefficient: 0.0200
* Drag area: 3.4 ft² (0.32 m²)
* Aspect ratio: 3.86
* Internal fuel: 677 US gal (2,563 L)
* External fuel: 275 US gal (1,040 L) per tank in up to 3 tanks

Performance

* Maximum speed: 917 kn (1,060 mph, 1,700 km/h, mach 1.6)
* Range: 760 nmi (870 mi, 1,405 km)
* Ferry range: 2,010 nmi (2,310 mi, 3,700 km[24])
* Service ceiling: 51,800 ft (15,800 m)
* Rate of climb: 34,400 ft/min (175 m/s)
* Lift-to-drag ratio: 10.0

 

[alexyflemming]

Supersonicity matters...

But the maneuvers are best with Supersonic jets than the others....

 

[Gnomey]

As ALMOST NONE of the manoeuvres performed are done at supersonic speeds it DOES NOT MATTER. Therefore it is pointless and useless to bring it up in this debate.