Best Aircraft in Many Different Roles Part II

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Heres a few things I never knew about the P-38...

It was the first fighter that was able to fly from Britain to Berlin and back while escorting bombers.

One of the initial production P-38s had its turbochargers removed, with a secondary cockpit placed in one of the booms to examine how flightcrew would respond to such an "asymmetric" cockpit layout. One P-38E was fitted with an extended central nacelles to accommodate a tandem-seat cockpit with dual controls, and was later fitted with a "laminar-flow" wing.

Very early in the Pacific War, a scheme was proposed to fit Lightnings with floats to allow them to make long-range ferry flights. The floats would be removed before the aircraft went into combat. There were concerns that salt spray would corrode the tailplane, and so one P-38E was modified with a raised tailplane and a rearward-facing second seat for an observer to monitor the effectiveness of the new arrangement.
This P-38E was not actually fitted with floats, and the idea was quickly abandoned as the US Navy proved to have enough sealift capacity to keep up with P-38 deliveries to the South Pacific.


Still another P-38E was used in 1942 to tow a Waco troop glider as a demonstration. There proved to be plenty of other aircraft, such as Douglas C-47s Dakotas, available to tow gliders, and the Lightning was spared this duty.

An F-5A was modified to an experimental two-seat reconnaissance configuration, with additional cameras in the tail booms.

Standard Lightnings were even used as crew and cargo transports in the South Pacific. They were fitted with pods attached to the underwing pylons, replacing drop tanks or bombs, that could carry a single passenger in a lying-down position or cargo.
This was very uncomfortable way to fly. Some of the pods weren't even fitted with a window to let the victim see out or bring in light. One fellow who hitched a lift on a P-38 in one of these pods later said that whoever designed the damn thing should have been forced to ride in it.


Lockheed proposed a carrier-based "Model 822" version of the Lightning for the US Navy. The Model 822 would have featured folding wings, an arresting hook, and stronger undercarriage for carrier operations. The Navy wasn't interested, as they regarded the Lightning as too big for carrier operations and didn't like liquid-cooled engines anyway, and the Model 822 never went beyond the paper stage. However, the Navy did operate four land-based F-5Bs in North Africa, with these aircraft inherited from the USAAF and redesignated "FO-1".

A single P-38G was captured intact by the Italians during the war when the pilot landed at an Italian base by mistake, and this Lightning was flown in combat against Allied aircraft, but this aircraft was quickly grounded due to lack of parts. Two Lightnings that were forced to land in Lisbon, Portugal, while on a ferry flight from England to Algeria were interned and operated by the Portugese, apparently with American blessing.

A P-38J was used in experiments with an unusual scheme for mid-air refueling, in which the fighter snagged a drop tank trailed on a cable from a bomber! Astonishingly, they got this to work, but unsurprisingly decided it wasn't practical. A P-38J was also fitted with experimental retractable snow ski landing gear, but this idea never reached operational service, either.

A P-38L was modified by Hindustan Aircraft in India as a fast VIP transport, with a comfortable seat in the nose, leather-lined walls, accommodations for "refreshments", and a glazed nose to give the passenger a spectacular view.

After the war, a P-38L was experimentally fitted with armament of three 15.2 millimeter (0.60 caliber) machine guns. This sounds like a misprint, but such guns were actually developed. The 15.2 millimeter cartridge had been developed early in the war for an infantry "anti-tank rifle", a type of weapon developed by a number of nations in the 1930s when tanks were lighter, but by 1942 the idea of taking on a tank with a large-caliber rifle was somewhere between "outdated" and "suicidal".
The cartridge wasn't abandoned, with the Americans designing a derivative of the German MG-151 15 millimeter machine gun around it and designating the weapon the "T17", but though 300 of these guns were built and over six million 15.2 millimeter rounds were manufactured, they never worked out all the bugs, and the T17 never saw operational service. The cartridge was "necked up" to fit 20 millimeter projectiles and became a standard US ammunition after the war. The T17-armed P-38L did not go beyond unsuccessful trials.


Another P-38L was modified after the war as a "super strafer", with eight 12.7 millimeter machine guns in the nose and a pod under each wing with two 12.7 millimeter guns, for a total of twelve. Nothing came of this fit, either.
 
cheddar cheese said:
Yeah, that I will easily agree with.

Me Too!

They also had a Smoke layer model.

CC have you seen the "Planes and Pilots of WWII" web page or the "P38 (CC Jordan:Mankind: CDB100620) sites? There is some great stuff there that includes information Warren Bodie dug up that was never published until 1990 in his book.
http://yarchive.net/mil/p38.html
 
Mosquito was the best 2 engine fighter/bomber ever built in the WWII. It was faster than most of fighters until the near the end of war in Europe, it had bomb load capacity that rivaled B-17, it can conducted low attitude precise bombing, and it was one of most recognized fighters in the war.

Oh, and it was also the most economic fighter as well; it was perhaps last great wood fighter of the 20th century.
 
read up un the exploits of No.23 Squadron, defending Matla by night and day in their F/NF.IIs.................

and day fighting was the only area that the P-38 beats the mossie..............

and i have a picture of a mossie with smoke canisters, which i'm more than willing to show you at school.............
 
Im not denying that, I was joking. ;)

I dont wanna get into this agument again, it pisses everyoneoff and its obvious no-one is going to change their mind :lol:
 
And I genuinely beleive the P-38 was the better all rounder than the Mossie. But lets not discuss that anymore, it going boring saying the same things over and over again...

2 More planes to compare then?
 

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