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Best Dogfighter Poll Revisited...
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cheddar cheese
Major General
Actually, it was free with a box of Corn Flakes.
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I alway's had to pay for mine on Street Corner's.............and the Cornflakes
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cheddar cheese
Major General
Ah, round these parts we get home delivery If they aint here within 5 minutes we get a 50% discount...
If they aint here within 5 minutes we get a 50% discount...
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Same kind of thing here - We wait 5 mins and get a Home 
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marseille jr
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Willy Reschke shot down a tempest in a turnfight at low speed and low altitude in his ta-152H which was designed for high altitudes !! People who flew the ta-152 all confirm it outclimbed , outdove, outaccelerated anything the allies had. It was also superior in turnfights to almost any allied plane, especially at high altitudes. It was therefore the best piston driven a/c of WWII.
the lancaster kicks ass
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does that include prototypes?
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lesofprimus
Brigadier General
Dont quite believe that.... Sure, he wouldnt know what to expect from a new foe, but he certainly would be putting his everything, man and machine, into defeating the new aircraft...... He definatly would NOT think it inferior.......
Any intellegent individual in 1945 would rationalize that if the Germans had a new COMBAT aircraft, that it would rightly be superior in performance to the most recent German aircraft produced.... (Prototype is a different matter)
Not knowing your enemies aircraft doesn't mean you think it's inferior to previous aircraft. The Tempest pilot wouldn't know what to make of it, does he try and out-turn, out-run, out-climb, out-dive it? See, he doesn't know and is at a distinct disadvantage.
FLYBOYJ
"THE GREAT GAZOO"
If it was me, I'd try to weigh it out if I was at an advantage (behind, above, spotting the other aircraft first etc.), the minute things weren't going well, I'd run like hell!
delcyros
Tech Sergeant
If Reschke got the Tempest flying at low speed and low altitude, e.g. at low energy, he wouldn´t have a problem with it (like any other plane). Any plane at low energy goes for turky shots.
With the specifications in mind, I would assume that the Tempest could do better on equal terms in low altitude against the Ta-152 H.
The best dogfighter of ww2, hands down, is the He-162. It saw limited service as well as aerial dogfights and therefore is qualified.
With the specifications in mind, I would assume that the Tempest could do better on equal terms in low altitude against the Ta-152 H.
The best dogfighter of ww2, hands down, is the He-162. It saw limited service as well as aerial dogfights and therefore is qualified.
Erich
the old Sage
you terms for the He 162 is baseless........
indeed the Ta 152H was a tough cookie but it never flew at high altitiude against any Allied/soviet a/c.
I've got a full on operative forms coming to me from Will Reschke along with Hans Müller cover their exploits in the Ta 152
indeed the Ta 152H was a tough cookie but it never flew at high altitiude against any Allied/soviet a/c.
I've got a full on operative forms coming to me from Will Reschke along with Hans Müller cover their exploits in the Ta 152
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lesofprimus
Brigadier General
The -152H had pressureization problems, and a decompression issue that was never fully solved..... But at medium atitude it still owned all the other prop jobs, but once again, pilot skill factors in as well.......
delcyros
Tech Sergeant
The pressuraizaton problems are reasoned on the tigthened pipe, which sealed the canopy. There have been similar problems in the V-models for this issue. However this is far away from happen regularly and even if, the emergancy breathing hood would do the job...
Erich, why do you think the He-162 shouldn´t be mentioned? Beacuse it is a jet engined one or because of mechanical problems or performances? If we just compare the abilities in dogfighting this plane could match anything in the skies.
I f we go for piston engined planes only, I would favour the Ta-152 C.
Erich, why do you think the He-162 shouldn´t be mentioned? Beacuse it is a jet engined one or because of mechanical problems or performances? If we just compare the abilities in dogfighting this plane could match anything in the skies.
I f we go for piston engined planes only, I would favour the Ta-152 C.
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lesofprimus
Brigadier General
Heres alittle Snippit from Willi Reschke...
Tempests vs. Ta 152H, 14 April 1945
By Prof. Erata
Background: While carrying on a final rearguard against the Allied air forces, the Luftwaffe continued to fight fiercely with its determined pilots and its remarkable fighter aircraft, one of which was the Focke-Wulf Ta 152H. The only unit which used it, the Stabsschwarm JG 301 (JG 301 Staff Formation), won a few kills with this aircraft, one on 14 April 1945.
In the words of Ofw. Reschke:
"Two enemy fighters were spotted some eight kilometres to the south-west of the field, making low-level passes over Ludwigslust railway yards. Three Ta 152 took off at once, piloted by the Oblt. Aufhammer, the Ofw. Sattler and myself. We were immediately in contact with the enemy fighters, which turned out to be Tempests. Flying in n°3 position, I witnessed the Ofw. Sattler ahead of me dive into the ground seconds before we reached them. It was hardly possible for his crash to have been the result of enemy action, as the Tempest pilots had clearly only just registered our presence. Now began a fight at two against two at the ground-level, which was never to climb above 50 metres. At this altitude neither could afford to make the slightest mistake. And for the first time since flying the Ta 152 I began fully to appreciate exactly what this aircraft could do.
"Pulling ever tighter turns, I got closer and closer to one of the Tempests, never once feeling I was even approaching the limit of the Ta's capabilities. When he flicked over onto the opposite wing I knew his last attempt to turn inside me had failed. My first burst of fire caught the Tempest in the tail and rear fuselage; its pilot immediately engaged its aircraft in a starboard turn, giving me an even greater advantage. I pressed my gun buttons a second time, but after a few rounds my weapons fell silent and refused to fire another shot. However, the Tempest, which had already taken hits continued desperately to twist and turn, and I positioned myself so that I was always just within his field of vision. Eventually, inevitably, it stalled. The Tempest's left wing dropped and he crashed into the woods immediately below us, about one kilometre of the site from Sattler's crash. The Tempest pilot, the W/O O.J. Mitchell was buried side by side with the Ofw. Sattler next day in Neustadt-Glewe cemetery with full military honours".
Tempests vs. Ta 152H, 14 April 1945
By Prof. Erata
Background: While carrying on a final rearguard against the Allied air forces, the Luftwaffe continued to fight fiercely with its determined pilots and its remarkable fighter aircraft, one of which was the Focke-Wulf Ta 152H. The only unit which used it, the Stabsschwarm JG 301 (JG 301 Staff Formation), won a few kills with this aircraft, one on 14 April 1945.
In the words of Ofw. Reschke:
"Two enemy fighters were spotted some eight kilometres to the south-west of the field, making low-level passes over Ludwigslust railway yards. Three Ta 152 took off at once, piloted by the Oblt. Aufhammer, the Ofw. Sattler and myself. We were immediately in contact with the enemy fighters, which turned out to be Tempests. Flying in n°3 position, I witnessed the Ofw. Sattler ahead of me dive into the ground seconds before we reached them. It was hardly possible for his crash to have been the result of enemy action, as the Tempest pilots had clearly only just registered our presence. Now began a fight at two against two at the ground-level, which was never to climb above 50 metres. At this altitude neither could afford to make the slightest mistake. And for the first time since flying the Ta 152 I began fully to appreciate exactly what this aircraft could do.
"Pulling ever tighter turns, I got closer and closer to one of the Tempests, never once feeling I was even approaching the limit of the Ta's capabilities. When he flicked over onto the opposite wing I knew his last attempt to turn inside me had failed. My first burst of fire caught the Tempest in the tail and rear fuselage; its pilot immediately engaged its aircraft in a starboard turn, giving me an even greater advantage. I pressed my gun buttons a second time, but after a few rounds my weapons fell silent and refused to fire another shot. However, the Tempest, which had already taken hits continued desperately to twist and turn, and I positioned myself so that I was always just within his field of vision. Eventually, inevitably, it stalled. The Tempest's left wing dropped and he crashed into the woods immediately below us, about one kilometre of the site from Sattler's crash. The Tempest pilot, the W/O O.J. Mitchell was buried side by side with the Ofw. Sattler next day in Neustadt-Glewe cemetery with full military honours".
Erich
the old Sage
the Ta 152C did not have time to prove itslef in combat as only 5-6 were flown by JG 301 on 1-2 missions. Same goes for the He 162.
friends see my webpages for more from Will Reschke and like I said I will have more from him personally and another unknown ace whom I did not know flew the Ta 152H in combat.... tis from the small but very private JG 301 get together a week agao in Dresden
friends see my webpages for more from Will Reschke and like I said I will have more from him personally and another unknown ace whom I did not know flew the Ta 152H in combat.... tis from the small but very private JG 301 get together a week agao in Dresden
Erich
the old Sage
also of note is a translated page to English briefly of Jupp Keils flights on 10 April of 45. At the top of or web-pages....
Horrido !
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Horrido !
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Erich
the old Sage
also if I may suggest Will Reschkes JG 301/302 book and Monogram Monarch will have a new book on the Ta 152 shortly....
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lesofprimus
Brigadier General
erich, im glad to see u guys have updated some of the info there on yr site... I always enjoy going there... GREAT INFO!
For those who do not already have it bookmarked, heres the link....
http://members.aol.com/falkeeins/Sturmgruppen/contents.html
For those who do not already have it bookmarked, heres the link....
http://members.aol.com/falkeeins/Sturmgruppen/contents.html
