Best/Favourate Tank in the west

[ndicki]

Adler, according to my Jane's AFVs for 1987, Iraq had no Cents, unless they had reused captured Kuwaiti ones.

Iraq did have Chieftains, on the other hand, presumably captured from Iran.

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

I was talking about Iran not Iraq.

But yes you are correct they are Chieftains not Centurians.

 

[ndicki]

Iran didn't have Cents, either - but both had Chieftains - so at the end of a misunderstanding, we're both right!

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

That is what I said:

But yes you are correct they are Chieftains not Centurians.

I have to find the pics of the Chieftains. Here are some pics of the boneyard though. It was an old Iraqi dump where they put in Iranian equipment that they captured in the Iran/Iraq War and then after we went into Iraq we started filling it with Iraqi equipment as well.

There were litterally hundreds of tanks and AFVs there as well as hundreds of artillary pieces.

It was pretty neat to go through it. We climbed into the tanks and everything and then went exploring some more. I pulled out an Iranian flag from a BMP and several BMP and T-55 manual (cant read a thing in them though). There also were several building just filled to the sealing with Iraqi Helmets and Gasmasks. Was pretty neat to go thought it all. Even though the room with the gasmasks scared me. There also were dozens of used anthropene injectors in the room as well. Kind of made me wonder...

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

I need to find the pics of the Chieftains though. It was actually a buddy of mine whos dad was a Canadian Tanker who pointed it out and said "Wow that is fricken Chieftain!"

 

[102first_hussars]

I was always wondering why there wasnt more armoured resistance then there was during the invasion of Iraq, maybe that was why, they junked a shit-load of them

 

[ndicki]

Pity you couldn't bring a load of that junk home with you - if a few more people had managed to at the end of WW2, we'd have a far better collection today in our museums. This'll all get broken up too.

 

[102first_hussars]

Hey, i wish they had real WW1 planes around but they dont

 

[ndicki]

Hey, i wish they had real WW1 planes around but they dont

You see what people will say about T-72s and BTR-60s in a hundred years.

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Pity you couldn't bring a load of that junk home with you - if a few more people had managed to at the end of WW2, we'd have a far better collection today in our museums. This'll all get broken up too.

I brought some stuff back. I am a militaria collector remember. I specialize in 3rd Reich uniforms and equipment but I collect anything and everything militaria.

Obviously I could not bring back a tank or anythign but I brought back the Iranian flag that I found in the BMP, Iraqi flag that I pulled off a T-72, 2 Helmets, a Republican Guard uniform (I bought that one though from an Iraqi vendor), and the manuals and TMs that I pulled from the Iraqi and Iranian tanks.

 

[ndicki]

Much better than it might have been, I agree.

I wonder if the next step in militaria and historical collecting is not to collect the people themselves. I have a genuine SS Panzer Lieutenant - as shown by the tattoo - in a large jar of formaldehyde in my study; would anyone like to exchange him for a Heer Grenadier Officer? Captain or Major?

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

 

[Gnomey]

Much better than it might have been, I agree.

I wonder if the next step in militaria and historical collecting is not to collect the people themselves. I have a genuine SS Panzer Lieutenant - as shown by the tattoo - in a large jar of formaldehyde in my study; would anyone like to exchange him for a Heer Grenadier Officer? Captain or Major?

I have an Russian tank Lieutenant of one of the Guards Divisions do you except?

 

[ndicki]

No, sorry, Gnomey, only if he is of eastern origin - Mongol or that sort of thing. Unlikely for an officer. What else have you got?

If you've got a Luftwaffe fighter pilot I'd agree, even with slight singeing.

 

[Gnomey]

Haven't got much info on him, he is believed to be Kazahk and appartently went to America for the war effort before heading back to the front where is was killed in 1945...

Pilotwise only got an Italian and a couple of Chinese.

 

[ndicki]

Naah, your Chinese are copies;they make them by the thousand in Taiwan, and then pass them off as mainlanders.

The Kazakh might be fun. Did you get the white or the red pattern?

 

[Gnomey]

I got the red one, the store I was buying them from had better quality red ones than whites ones for the same price so I went with the red.

 

[ndicki]

Pity. I wanted a white one to go with my Vlassov collection!

Tell me more about your Italian - is he in VGC, singed or badly holed?

 

[Gnomey]

An ace of the North African campaign aswell as bloodied over Malta before being indisposed early in the Sicilain Campaign. One of the top Italian aces (very rare these days), his condition isn't perfect for his plane was badly shot up however the blemishes are hard to see now he has a new uniform. If you remove the uniform he is a bit singed and has a couple of holes but otherwise is fine.

 

[lesofprimus]

U people are twisted...