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in this case yes the current is about 5 mph and its about 300yds/metres wide the raisond d'etre for the place he crossed at Queenston Ontario or Lewiston NY is that it is as far up as you can go on the river before you have to portage by the FallsAre you saying that you are a better general then Winfield Scott? Sometimes I just have to chuckle at some of the things said on forums these days by armchair generals. General Scott was captured and paid the price for his "fools choice". But that is war, no?
remember that most of the early defeats by the US were engineered by Issac Brock who was without a doubt the best commander of either side with only the militia and only 1 regimentScott was outstanding. His campaign in Mexico was masterful and the Anaconda Plan alledgedly by him was too.
from the viewpoint here you lost War of 1812 one of the goals was freeing us poor Canadians from the Brits and at that you failed, also recall that Britain was fighting the French at the same time
..... we didn't fail then, we were also fighting the french at that time and that quite successful
It was successful only because Napoleon himself was pretty busy in Russia at that same time (in 1812)...
lots of people on both sides got hurt,only people who really lost out in the 1812 war was the indians, they got screwed by the Us and Britian
It was pretty much survival of the fittest back then. Colonists did some bad things to the Indians, but they didn't really have some cushy life in the old world to fall back on. Many people came to this continent from Europe under the threat of starvation. Most from at least a background of abject poverty. When you are desperate enough to get on a wooden ship (many of which wound up wrecked in storms) and sail to someplace you know nothing about on the vague hope of farming in a climate you know nothing about, you just aren't going to be thinking of the property rights of weird (to you) indigenous peoples.
Very true - it still doesn't excuse what was done to the native population though. Nor does it excuse the fact that the US carried on doing it for over a century (not counting what was done before independence as well) until the native population virtually ceased to exist and Manifest Destiny was fulfilled. Whatever spin you try to put on it, wiping out the original population of a country so you can develop it for yourself is still a huge crime to commit...
You might have a point there renrich, though I don't see the club that Chingachgook carries with him.Interesting photo. Looks like they are trying to portray Hawkeye, Uncas and Chingacok(spelling)
Very true - it still doesn't excuse what was done to the native population though. Nor does it excuse the fact that the US carried on doing it for over a century (not counting what was done before independence as well) until the native population virtually ceased to exist and Manifest Destiny was fulfilled. Whatever spin you try to put on it, wiping out the original population of a country so you can develop it for yourself is still a huge crime to commit...
Survival neither has nor needs excuses. It just happens. People have fought for as long as there has been people. Some people win and some lose.Very true - it still doesn't excuse what was done to the native population though. Nor does it excuse the fact that the US carried on doing it for over a century (not counting what was done before independence as well) until the native population virtually ceased to exist and Manifest Destiny was fulfilled. Whatever spin you try to put on it, wiping out the original population of a country so you can develop it for yourself is still a huge crime to commit...
While I would say that's a valid point, I would also say that the U.S. has not done anything that hasn't been done by any race of man since the last ice age.Very true - it still doesn't excuse what was done to the native population though. Nor does it excuse the fact that the US carried on doing it for over a century (not counting what was done before independence as well) until the native population virtually ceased to exist and Manifest Destiny was fulfilled. Whatever spin you try to put on it, wiping out the original population of a country so you can develop it for yourself is still a huge crime to commit...