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MTB
Allied Fairmile D
Axis: S-100 (114 ft type)
Overall Fairmile D
Again close, very close. The S100 has a clear advantage in speed but the D has the firepower. I gave it to the D as in action extream speed was little used, the approach being normally being at very slow speeds or even at rest. The key was to have sufficient speed and this I feel the Dog Boat had. When it came to action the D was almost unmatched and the S100 would have to give way.
Hi Del
Parsifal, the Panzerschiffe were conforming to their treaty limits within acceptable tolerances.
standart displacement is what counts. The PB Deutschland had a std. displacement of 10.600t. and a light displacement considerably below 10.000t. The deep load was 14.290t., altough this increased after the Atlantic bow had been refitted (long after the treaty of Versailles and London expired). Follow on ships were a tad bit heavier due to refits and modifications undertaken after war broke out but thats true for all combattants (additional AAA, updated firecontroll...).
Hi del
Your figures are slightly lower than those quoted in Conways, Janes and one other reference I have for the KM. But not enough to get excited about.
Except when you say that Deutschlands Std Disp is below 10000. Conways lists it as 11700, whilst the German Warships of WWII lists it as 11700 also. My Encyclopaedia of ships lists the same displacement. Factsare the Germans exceeded treaty limits, and broke the rules. Oh, and the Treaty of versailles was repudiated by Hitler, it did not "expire". Same with the Anglo-German Naval Treaty
Any comparison has to take care of contemporary CA´s. The Exeter was a 6 x 8" CA, basically the smallest possible design with 8" and cruiser abilities.
The comparable Kent-class CA averaged with 10.400t. stdt. and 14.150t. avg. deep load, very much like PB Deutschland / Lützow.
The italian Zara class CA had a displacement of 11.870t. std. and 14.530t. deep.
The french Algerie CA was perfect 10.000t. std. and 13.900t. deep, the only modern CA to fullfill the requirements of the treaty.
The US Cleveland class light cruiser had a standart displacement of 11.800t. and a deep load of 14.183t.
The Panzerschiffe were thus conforming to their displacement limits but this was not without some notable risks in protection.
I dont believe that they were conforming. They were 1700 tons over maximum at the very least, and in the case of the Spee, at least 2200 tons over weight. That represents the potential to put a lot more effort into the defensive schemes than the ships she faced in 1939. The CLs were much less well protected, and the Exeter, also could not withstand the 11" guns in anything like a comparable state to the way Spee could withstand her broadsides
Glider
The reason i didnt pick the Hunts was because they were a bit short on endurance (or so ive read). But they were nevertheless useful ships, and as you point out had significant advantages over the Matsus in certain areas. So I could not object if the Hunts were on the list, or placed as the best available. But the Le Fiers, ton for ton are worth having a look at
I have always had a hard time finding good material on MTBs. I have one book on them. Your description of tactics is basically correct. Nearly always used at night, Tactics usually relied on stealth rather than speed, for both sides
flyboy, are you saying that the US CLs with 5 inch guns were the best CLs? Those were built for use as AA cruisers and were really handicapped in a surface action.
Hi,
I have Aerial Photos of the Aircraft carrier Graf Zepplin that Germany built and she sitting in dockside getting fitted for aircraft. The Photos I have were never published by anybody and they include the Battleship Tirpitz,ADMIRAL SCHEER,LUTZOW PRINCE EUGEN AND HIPPER ALONG WITH THE LIGHT CRUISER NURNBERG,LEIPZIG. AND OTHER CRUISERS OF THE FLEET. These photos were taken by the R.A.F. in 1943-44 Norway, Denmark, and Baltic coast. Does anyone else have such photos of these ships?