Best World war two warships?

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

If they are saying that, they are wrong !

Believe what you wish. I believe the people who were on the ship. They are the ones the witnessed and experienced it. If someone who was on it says it did not happen, then to me it did not happen.

Do me a favor as well. Calm down with the attitude...

 

[redcoat]

Believe what you wish. I believe the people who were on the ship. They are the ones the witnessed and experienced it. If someone who was on it says it did not happen, then to me it did not happen.

Even though the facts I've given you are not in dispute with historians,
Every account be it British, German or Neutral, of the Bismarcks last mission gives the same story.

Do me a favor as well. Calm down with the attitude...

I am calm

 

[Henk]

Hi everyone long time no see, been working very hard 12 to 13 hours straight.

Ok, Adler mate I do not want to start a fight but in Ballard's book he also stated that the shell from the PoW went straight through and caused the flooding. This information were from the survivors of the Bismarck.

The whole thing is she still fought like a mean war machine and never stopped until she could not anymore.

A ship is nothing without its radar and range finders, you will fire blind and will only waste your shells and give the enemy the time to hit you where it will hurt. So what is a tank with poorly trained crew, worth nothing, the enemy will take advantage of it and destroy it, the same with a battleship.

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

I am going to have to look through my book on the Bismarck but I dont recall that. I am going from reading interviews and from watching documentaries.

 

[timshatz]

I am going to have to look through my book on the Bismarck but I dont recall that. I am going from reading interviews and from watching documentaries.

Adler, I think these guys are on it with this one. The Bismark did take at least one shot from the POW. Went through the forward part of the ship and caused an oil leak. Also shipped water because of it. Better question would be did that hit go through the armour or did it go through an unarmoured part.

Pretty good shooting from the POW, considering she was brand new with an untested crew. Better shooting from the Bismark. Sank one Capital ship and wounded another.

One question that always bothered me about the Battle of the Denmark Straights was why was the Hood's shooting so poor. I know that they started out shooting at the Prinz Eugen but switched to the Bismark. Still, none of the shots hit and she was shooting for a decent length of time. Was it the range finders? Gunnery Controls? What up with that one?

 

[Soren]

Allot of the survivors of the Bismarck claim they sunk her themselves with explosives, and AFAIK this has been confirmed by underwater investigations. However lets face it, she was done for, and although it might have been the explosives which sank her, she was already put permanently out of action by the British warships long before that decision was ever made.

And about the hull of the Bismarck, although I'm not 100% sure about this, I seem to remember that the upper bow hull had been completely penetrated by a British 15" shell which even went out the other side without exploding. - The British throughout WW2 had problems with fuzes which later caused them to abandon the use of them completely in armor piercing rounds. The Germans on the other hand had great succes with fuzes in AP shells (As the HMS Hood testifies), and therefore stuck with it in their AP designs, improving them over the years.

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Adler, I think these guys are on it with this one. The Bismark did take at least one shot from the POW. Went through the forward part of the ship and caused an oil leak. Also shipped water because of it. Better question would be did that hit go through the armour or did it go through an unarmoured part.

No where did I ever say that the Bismarck did not take any shells. She took many many shells. In fact her whole superstructure and turrets and everything above the waterline was complete destroyed by shells.

The oil leak that you are talking about was caused by the torpedos from the Swordfish which shipped water into the ship.

 

[Soren]

Here we go..

"Starboard side bow of the Bismarck. The false wave can be seen on the side of the hull. The hole that can be seen in the hull and false wave is where the shell from Prince of Wales went out after having entered the hull from the port side. The shell went right thought the ship. Some sediment can be seen on the main deck."

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Yes but that was above the waterline in an unarmoured section. No shells penetrated the Bismarcks armour belt.

 

[redcoat]

Yes but that was above the waterline in an unarmoured section. No shells penetrated the Bismarcks armour belt.

Are you under the assumption that the Bismarcks hull was totally armoured ?

 

[Henk]

The crew, the German crew hated the word Hood because it was used in their training and everytime they said what if you made that misstake while fighting the Hood, so when they went up against her they did their best.

 

[Henk]

Look at the photo of the Bismarck after the battle and you will see how much her bow sinks away in the water. Let me show it again for you guys.

and a 3D drawing of the Bismarck.

and now the picture of the wreck.

 

[Soren]

Adler has a good point, as looking at the armour layout of the Bismarck it is clear that the shell from Prince of Wales hit a section of just 60mm in thickness or less, and it was above the waterline.

Bismarck armour layout:

 

[Henk]

Yes, but that is the exit point/hole of the shell that hit the Bismarck from the PoW.

 

[Soren]

As explained earlier: "Starboard side bow of the Bismarck. The false wave can be seen on the side of the hull. The hole that can be seen in the hull and false wave is where the shell from Prince of Wales went out after having entered the hull from the port side. The shell went right through the ship. Some sediment can be seen on the main deck."

 

[Henk]

Yup.

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Are you under the assumption that the Bismarcks hull was totally armoured ?

Did I say that?

I said there the major parts that were vital to the ship were.

 

[timshatz]

By the design spec further up the page, it is pretty evident the shell went through an unamored part.

 

[Soren]

Something I forgot to post in relation to Bismarck's armour layout:

: See the figures on the drawing

: 320mm

: 170mm

: 145mm

: 80mm

: 60mm

 

[timshatz]

Looks like the round landed outside the armored box. Somewhere in the range of 60MM plate. Wouldn't slow down a 14" plunging AP round.