I will add them in for you tomorrow.
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I was more thinking for the sake of discussion Adler...It's plenty of names that list you've put up already, don't want the thing cover a whole page do we...
Maj Heinz-Wolfgang SCHNAUFER, 121
Obst Helmut LENT, 102
Both flying the Bf-110
Hptm Heinrich Alexander Prinz SAYN-WITTGENSTEIN, 83
Flying the Ju-88
Obst Werner STREIB, 66
Flying the Bf-110 and the He-219
Hptm Heinz ROEKKER, 64
Six kills in one night....
Maj Rudolf SCHOENERT, 64
Flying the Dornier Do-217 and Bf-110
If you wanted a Polish pilot on the list all you had to do was state which pilot you wanted and why he should be on the list. He could have been added then.
So do you want your vote changed?
Great choice Marshal. I've read about him alittle and he would make a good canidate.
Also, for all of you guys voting 'patriotically', I find it interesting that you're bringing up some guys I've never heard of before, and I think that's worth discussing, but why not just say, "Obviously the best pilot of the war was <Insert one of the 3 or 4 obvious German choices here>, but have you guys heard of this guy: <Insert pilot who has less than one tenth the kills here>?
This is getting retarded Marshall... The reason why the Germans lead the list is simple....
They survived in a War that took thousands and thousands of airmens lives, and these few skilled pilots lived all the way through it...
U cannot and should not try to compare a guy with 20 kills to a guy that had over 200.... Its stupid to even suggest it...
There were many great pilots, including ur nomination from Poland, but in the end, numbers DO make a difference... Theres a reason why the top 3 vote getters in this Poll are Germans, and it aint because we dont have any idea what we're talking about....
Maybe it's becuase I don't think that there are "3 or 4 obvious German choices". If we have looked only on the number of kills then there would be only one choice. I stated earlier why I voted like I voted.
I just thought that in that wide spectrum of pliots it would be nice to see one from Poland.
And I'm bringing up some guy you never heard of before exactly because you never heard of him before.
How can you decide who was the best if you don't even know who to consider? What If someone heard about Hartmann and doesn't heard about Marseille, can he make a good decision? I don't think so. Thousands of pilots took part in ww2 are you sure you heard of the one who was the best before? Maybe not...
And many German pilots also flew over 1000 combat missions - ever look into how many missions were flown by the average combat pilot in the ETO?Just look at it! Look how many Germans had more than 100 kills! No pilot from any other country was even into triple digits, and there were 15 German pilots who had more than 200 kills
I haven't said that Urbanowicz was a better pilot than great German aces,
I'm not saying that numbers don't have any meaning because efectivness would be of the things that the best pilot had to have, but does in a 1 on 1 dogfight always wins the guy with more kills under his belt? I don't think so.
On 3 June 1942, Marseille attacked alone a formation of 16 Curtiss P-40 fighters and shot down six aircraft of No. 5 Squadron SAAF, five of them in six minutes, including three aces: Robin Pare (six victories), Douglas Golding (6.5 victories) and Andre Botha (five victories). His wingman Rainer Pöttgen, nicknamed Fliegendes Zählwerk the ("Flying Counting Machine"),[36] said of this fight:
All the enemy were shot down by Marseille in a turning dogfight. As soon as he shot, he needed only to glance at the enemy plane. His pattern [of gunfire] began at the front, the engine's nose, and consistently ended in the cockpit. How he was able to do this not even he could explain. With every dogfight he would throttle back as far as possible; this enabled him to fly tighter turns. His expenditure of ammunition in this air battle was 360 rounds (60 per kill).
"Marseille was the unrivalled virtuoso among the fighter pilots of World War 2. His achievements had previously been regarded as impossible and they were never excelled by anyone after his death."