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Price went on to observe that relatively small deteriorations in the airframe could reduce the performance of a Spitfire in the same way that the RAE experiment increased its performance...
Looking at the captured Spitfire VB with DB605 - I wonder how well the airframe was looked after at Rechlin?
There is always some variation but each engine (at least in the west) was placed on a test stand and run for several hours before shipment from the factory. During this time the engine was connected to a load and power measurements were taken. Any engine not meeting specifications (plus or minus so many percent or a minimum HP ) would be rejected for refitting/repair.
That being said there were variations in service. Rings and valves could wear, linkage adjustments could move a bit, Condition of sparkplugs, etc.
Some times an engine that seemed to work fine at sea level was well down on power at altitude. Air is an insulator and in the thinner air at high altitudes some magnetos and wiring harnesses shorted out or cross fired.
Actually the RAE report you are referring to investigates the drop in performance of Mark Vs due to poor production quality; the RAE report investigates how much of this was attritubable to a, Poor production/finish quality b,Due to introduction of new (and draggy) new equipment to the basic design. In other words it more appropriate to speak of restoring the performance.
Interesting to note tah this was recognised
1) New satin-finish paints were introduced and
2) flush riveting throughout.
3) Production standards were improved. According to Shacklady and Morgan the first two refinements were introduced in late 1942-early 1943, before the Farnborough tests, which helped confirm what was already known.
Does anyone know the file number for this report on the performance difficulties of the Spitfire due to poor finish? It looks like an interesting file to look up in full.
Does anyone know the file number for this report on the performance difficulties of the Spitfire due to poor finish? It looks like an interesting file to look up in full.
I am at a loss as to where this debate is headed. I think it is fairly well known that the Spitfire V was somewhat outclassed by its axis contemporaries, but despite this, the exhange rates over england and france throughout 1941 steadily improved, and were only slightly worse than 1:1 towards the end of the year, according to Foreman. It appears the SpitV struggled more aginst the FW 190 than the Me 109f. So if the SpitV was so bad, but still managed a half decent exchange rate, then what was wrong with the axis aircraft types.
Facts are that there was little difference in the qualitative edge by either side at the time of the initial deployment of the Spit V. Later, as the qualitative scales tipped in favour of the allies, the exchange rates began to tip in favour of the allies, but this came much later and in different machines.
I am at a loss as to where this debate is headed. I think it is fairly well known that the Spitfire V was somewhat outclassed by its axis contemporaries, but despite this, the exhange rates over england and france throughout 1941 steadily improved, and were only slightly worse than 1:1 towards the end of the year, according to Foreman.
It appears the SpitV struggled more aginst the FW 190 than the Me 109f.
So if the SpitV was so bad, but still managed a half decent exchange rate, then what was wrong with the axis aircraft types.
Facts are that there was little difference in the qualitative edge by either side at the time of the initial deployment of the Spit V.
I'm not sure but I have seen the full report somewhere; it is mentioned in Morgan and Shacklady. Possibly Mike Williams will know.
Oh, good ole' Mikey has the report, but understandably its not something he wants to advertise too much on Spitfire performance history. Well of course that, the roll rate report on the Spitfires, fully rated Bf 109s in his comparison articles and so on.
Anyway here it is... you see, all you have to do is ask nicely. 8)
How about dropping the attitude and snide remarks about people and just concentrate on some useful discussion?