Boeing Names Independent Quality Review Leader

[Thumpalumpacus]

RALEIGH, N.C. (WNCN) – A family in Raleigh, N.C., was shocked upon discovering a plane's wing flap in their driveway Wednesday morning.

The wing came from an aircraft operated by Delta Air Lines that was landing hours before this unexpected discovery.

Delta Flight 3247 had taken off from Atlanta just after 11 p.m. ET on Tuesday night, data from FlightAware indicates. The Boeing 737-900ER, which had 109 passengers and six crew members on board, ultimately landed safely at Raleigh Durham International Airport at approximately 1:15 a.m. — albeit missing part of its wing flap.

Hours later, officers with the Raleigh Police Department responded to a call from residents in Raleigh who discovered the wing flap blocking part of the driveway. Initial findings revealed that it did indeed belong to Delta Flight 3247.

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/5383441-delta-air-lines-flight-wing-flap-north-carolina-driveway/

No telling what caused it.

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

RALEIGH, N.C. (WNCN) – A family in Raleigh, N.C., was shocked upon discovering a plane's wing flap in their driveway Wednesday morning.

The wing came from an aircraft operated by Delta Air Lines that was landing hours before this unexpected discovery.

Delta Flight 3247 had taken off from Atlanta just after 11 p.m. ET on Tuesday night, data from FlightAware indicates. The Boeing 737-900ER, which had 109 passengers and six crew members on board, ultimately landed safely at Raleigh Durham International Airport at approximately 1:15 a.m. — albeit missing part of its wing flap.

Hours later, officers with the Raleigh Police Department responded to a call from residents in Raleigh who discovered the wing flap blocking part of the driveway. Initial findings revealed that it did indeed belong to Delta Flight 3247.

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/5383441-delta-air-lines-flight-wing-flap-north-carolina-driveway/

No telling what caused it.

Most likely improper maintenance at Delta. It was a 13 year old aircraft. This is not a Boeing problem, and has nothing to do with Boeing. I'm surprised the article though did not call it a Boeing plane instead of a Delta plane.

 

[Thumpalumpacus]

Most likely improper maintenance at Delta. It was a 13 year old aircraft. This is not a Boeing problem, and has nothing to do with Boeing. I'm surprised the article though did not call it a Boeing plane instead of a Delta plane.

Right, I know it probably has nothing at all to do with Boeing QC.

 

[Denniss]

Air India Prelimnary Accident report is out - both engines fuel valves were set to cut off position within 1 second and pilots were heard to be surprised by this. Either one deliberately made this and lied to the other or some other strange Software/Hardware issue they have not found yet. There should have been a mechanical blockage to prevent accidental swtching-offs. Smells like pilot-induced.

https://aaib.gov.in/What's%20New%20Assets/Preliminary%20Report%20VT-ANB.pdf

 

[Thumpalumpacus]

If I'm in my seat, I'm belted. Turbulence happens. I rode through a thunderhead over Dallas in a Fokker F-27 in 1978, and I'm sure we were hopping and dropping twenty foot at a pop. Ever since then, unless I'm peeing, I'm buckled.

Further to this:


A Delta Air Lines flight from Salt Lake City to Amsterdam was hit by serious turbulence, sending 25 passengers to hospitals and forcing the flight to divert to Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport, the airline said.

The Airbus A330-900, which can seat over 250 people, landed around 7:45 p.m. Wednesday. The airport fire department and paramedics met the flight. The 25 passengers were taken to hospitals for evaluation and treatment, the airline said.

One passenger said people who weren't wearing seat belts were thrown about the cabin.

"They hit the ceiling, and then they fell to the ground," Leann Clement-Nash told ABC News. "And the carts also hit the ceiling and fell to the ground and people were injured. It happened several times, so it was really scary."

https://apnews.com/article/delta-flight-turbulence-injuries-f93bc14c4c6f27d0be137483938fddfe

People just don't learn.

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

People just don't learn.

10 bucks they want to sue Boeing for it.

 

[Thumpalumpacus]

10 bucks they want to sue Boeing for it.

That's a bet I won't take.

 

[special ed]

I may have said this elsewhere in the forum, but on one flight (I always keep the belt on) we suddenly dropped somewhat smoothly. I had just been served coffee and the coffee began to rise out of the cup. While holding the cup up at arm's reach, I unfastened the belt with the other hand and stood, holding the cup under the suspended coffee. Just as it reached the overhead, we began the updraft and the coffee was saved.

 

[Zipper730]

A Delta Air Lines flight from Salt Lake City to Amsterdam was hit by serious turbulence, sending 25 passengers to hospitals and forcing the flight to divert to Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport, the airline said.

While I haven't flown since 2001, even back then, I remember a case in the late 1990's where a clear-air turbulence case killed somebody. As a general rule, I would always ride buckled in unless I had to use the bathroom.

 

[Admiral Beez]

The Boeing 737 Max just can't catch a break.


View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zkVCqWg37_4

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

The Boeing 737 Max just can't catch a break.


View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zkVCqWg37_4

Except that its not just the 737 MAX with this issue. The problem is not with the aircraft, but with a component in the CFM engines call the LRD (not built by Boeing). The Airbus A319neo, A320neo, and A321neo also have this same engine types, with the same component, and can potentially have the same issue. The same urgent recommendations were issued to those Airbus aircraft as well.

But lets just single out Boeing…

 

[Denniss]

EASA Safety Information Bulletin regarding this issue

https://ad.easa.europa.eu/blob/EASA_SIB_2025_06.pdf/SIB_2025-06_1

 

[Admiral Beez]

The problem is not with the aircraft, but with a component. But lets just single out Boeing…

Well yes, that's why I said Boeing can't catch a break. Mind you, if Subaru told me that the potential or actual failure of a flawed component on my Forester wasn't their responsibility because they procured it from a third party, and BTW that same third party, flawed component is in other brands of automobiles… I would not feel any better towards Subaru. Instead I'd think, Subaru is no better than the lower average of its industry… I suppose that's the bar Boeing is aiming for.

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Well yes, that's why I said Boeing can't catch a break. Mind you, if Subaru told me that the potential or actual failure of a flawed component on my Forester wasn't their responsibility because they procured it from a third party, and BTW that same third party, flawed component is in other brands of automobiles… I would not feel any better towards Subaru. Instead I'd think, Subaru is no better than the lower average of its industry… I suppose that's the bar Boeing is aiming for.

Nobody said its not Boeing's responsibility. It's about the singling out thats almost slander at this point. This problem is a potential Boeing and Airbus issue, but its always reported or talked about as a "Boeing" problem.

Its no different when the wheel falls off a 15 year old Delta Airlines jet. If it was a Boeing aircraft its titled "Wheel falls off a Boeing Jet, in another sign of trouble for the aircraft manufacturer." But if the Delta aircraft was an Airbus its titled "Wheel falls off Delta Airlines Jet." And then you have to read through 5 paragraphs to find out it was an Airbus, and they still find a way to mention Boeing.

But I suppose thats the low quality of reporting and ignorance the public is aiming for.

 

[Thumpalumpacus]

The Federal Aviation Administration is seeking $3.1 million in fines from Boeing over safety violations, including ones related to an Alaska Airlines jetliner losing a door plug panel on its fuselage in midflight.

The proposed penalty is for safety violations that occurred from September 2023 through February 2024, the FAA said Friday.

That period includes the January 2024 blowout of a paneled-over exit door — called a door plug —- on an Alaska Airlines Boeing 737 Max 9 shortly after it took off from Portland, Oregon.

[...]

In June, the National Transportation Safety Board said its 17-month long investigation found that lapses in Boeing's manufacturing and safety oversight, combined with ineffective inspections and audits by the FAA, led to the door plug blowout.

The FAA said Friday that it identified hundreds of quality system violations at Boeing's 737 factory in Renton, Washington, and Boeing subcontractor Spirit AeroSystems' 737 factory in Wichita, Kansas.

FAA seeks to fine Boeing $3.1 million for safety violations, door plug blowout

The FAA said it identified hundreds of quality system violations at Boeing's 737 factory in Renton, Wash., and Boeing subcontractor Spirit AeroSystems' 737 factory in Wichita, Kan.

www.npr.org

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

The Federal Aviation Administration is seeking $3.1 million in fines from Boeing over safety violations, including ones related to an Alaska Airlines jetliner losing a door plug panel on its fuselage in midflight.

The proposed penalty is for safety violations that occurred from September 2023 through February 2024, the FAA said Friday.

That period includes the January 2024 blowout of a paneled-over exit door — called a door plug —- on an Alaska Airlines Boeing 737 Max 9 shortly after it took off from Portland, Oregon.

[...]

In June, the National Transportation Safety Board said its 17-month long investigation found that lapses in Boeing's manufacturing and safety oversight, combined with ineffective inspections and audits by the FAA, led to the door plug blowout.

The FAA said Friday that it identified hundreds of quality system violations at Boeing's 737 factory in Renton, Washington, and Boeing subcontractor Spirit AeroSystems' 737 factory in Wichita, Kansas.

FAA seeks to fine Boeing $3.1 million for safety violations, door plug blowout

The FAA said it identified hundreds of quality system violations at Boeing's 737 factory in Renton, Wash., and Boeing subcontractor Spirit AeroSystems' 737 factory in Wichita, Kan.

www.npr.org

And I think I'm good with that.

 

[Thumpalumpacus]

And I think I'm good with that.

It strikes me as kinda light, amounting to 0.04% of Boeing's earnings. That's the change between the couch-cushions for Boeing, and I doubt it will get enough attention to change the safety culture there.

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

It strikes me as kinda light, amounting to 0.04% of Boeing's earnings. That's the change between the couch-cushions for Boeing, and I doubt it will get enough attention to change the safety culture there.

The safety culture is improving immensely day to day with or without it. The new leadership is righting the ship.

 

[Thumpalumpacus]

The safety culture is improving immensely day to day with or without it. The new leadership is righting the ship.

I hope you're right, but the proof of the pudding is in the eating.

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

I hope you're right, but the proof of the pudding is in the eating.

What would I know? I work for the company…