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The Germans kept track of how their planes were shot down. They assumed that bullet holes in the front came from a bomber's deffencive guns and those with holes from the back were downed by fighters. The bomber gunners "Claimed" they shot down over 28,000 Nazi planes, But German records show that it was closer to 10-11,000, IIRC! The vast majority, 2/3rds, by B-17s!
Yes this is true, but also irrealivant! Just because the Nazis chose to send half to a dozen single engined fighters to look for Mossies with little support, what do you think would happen if there were no heavies to chase? RIGHT!Which heavies could carry 14,000lbs+? Really only the Lancaster in the ETO/MTO, and they operated mainly at night. The German nightfighters had good success against Lancasters, but could not catch a Mosquito. They really did try.
Look up the He-219? But you confuse a strategic choice of the Germans in that they made little effort to chase the Mossy and spent huge sums to stop the heavies. WO the heavies, they could have spent those resources Vs the Mossies. You tell me what you would do if you were in charge of the Luftwaffe in WW-II and there were no heavies to chase.
What chance would the Mossy have if it was the only target in the sky? Right!
While much of what you state is true, the mossy was hard to intercept. But not impossible. In addition, the Mossy was a slow and difficult plane to build that required large amounts of highly skilled labor and scarce types of wood, much of which had to be imported. What happens if there are no heavies to keep the Germans busy and they build several hundred He-219s, each of which shoots down just one Mossy on every other mission?
Yet history tells us that the Mosquitos, flying predominately day missions between May 1942 and May 1943, would often outpace s/e fighter chasing them. Even if the s/e fighters were faster than the Mossies it would take longer for the fighters to catch up than if they were chasing B-17s or B-24s.
Yes this is true, but not realivant.
The Luftwaffe even had a unit specifically tasked with killing Mosquito bombers (IIRC at night) - but they were disbanded or retasked due to lack of success.
The claims to actual losses ratio look sway too low for defensive gunners to me.
It also sounds a lot like USAAF propoganda being used to defend the self defending bomber concept.
You are clearly wrong about that opinion! You should have said a resounding YES! When you fight modern war, the civilian population that powers the war machine is a valid target. The answer to carpet bombing civilians is that they are not really civilians, they are accessories before the fact in legal terms. If they had stopped Hitler before he started the war, they would not be targets afterwards!
Civilization faces the same question today! Islam is the source of the vast majority of all suffering and premature death in the world today! ( And for the last 1400 years!) If we really wanted to reduce the total suffering and premature death in the world we should threaten and then NUC Mecca if they choose not to clean up their own mess!
Look up the He-219? But you confuse a strategic choice of the Germans in that they made little effort to chase the Mossy and spent huge sums to stop the heavies. WO the heavies, they could have spent those resources Vs the Mossies. You tell me what you would do if you were in charge of the Luftwaffe in WW-II and there were no heavies to chase.
What chance would the Mossy have if it was the only target in the sky? Right!
While much of what you state is true, the mossy was hard to intercept. But not impossible. In addition, the Mossy was a slow and difficult plane to build that required large amounts of highly skilled labor and scarce types of wood, much of which had to be imported. What happens if there are no heavies to keep the Germans busy and they build several hundred He-219s, each of which shoots down just one Mossy on every other mission?
Yes this is true, but also irrealivant! Just because the Nazis chose to send half to a dozen single engined fighters to look for Mossies with little support, what do you think would happen if there were no heavies to chase? RIGHT!
What part of "German records" did you fail to understand? in nice round numbers; the Nazis said that they lost ~7,000 to B-17s, 2,500 to B-24s, I was wrong about this before! I thought it was closer to 5,000! They also lost 400 to B-26s and 200 more to B-25s. According to the Nazis, they lost more AC to B-17s than any other type!
I'd like to see that source(s) as well since 1945 records are lost to oblivion
addition any Mossie could be shot down by any LW NF if given the right angle and height advantage, my cousin shot down a FB in his outdated Do 217 N-1 while the FB's were attacking bases clsoe to Sylt in 1943. He 219A's accounted for a total of 12 Mossies. 10.(N)/JG 300 bf 109G-6AS craft accounted for more with only 3 months in action ..........it's all getting covered in my book....
if guys ask specific questions then I may be able to answer you.
The He 219 had an auspicious combat debut. On the night of 11–12 June 1943, Werner Streib flew the V9 and shot down five bombers between 01:05 and 02:22 hours, before crashing on landing. A claim has consistently been made that, "In the next 10 days the three Heinkel He 219A-0 pre-production aircraft would shoot down a total of 20 RAF aircraft, including six of the previously "untouchable" de Havilland Mosquito fighter-bombers. Greatly encouraged, Kammhuber continued to press for immediate production." No record of corresponding Mosquito losses or any documentary evidence exists, however, to suggest that He 219 pilots actually made claims for six Mosquitos during this time.
The USAAF heavy bombers claimed 9.276 enemy aircrafts in the air in ETO&MTO, the light&medium 613.
Were any He 219s victims of Mosquito NFs?
"Claimed". How many confirmed?
you can dig deeper in research to find the variants, the dates should help you
28/28 July 42 obviously no HE 219
27/28, May 43
12/13, December 43
6/7 of May 44
27/28 of May 44 - 2 kills
10/11 June 44
10/11 June 44
11/12 June 44
24/25 June 44
1/2 of July 44
10/11 July 44
18/19 of July 1944 by Hptm Strüning
too many He's shot down by Mossie NF's, remember most of the LW variants of the Uhu did not have rear warning radar installed.
you can dig deeper in research to find the variants, the dates should help you
28/28 July 42 obviously no HE 219
27/28, May 43
12/13, December 43
6/7 of May 44
27/28 of May 44 - 2 kills
10/11 June 44
10/11 June 44
11/12 June 44
24/25 June 44
1/2 of July 44
10/11 July 44
18/19 of July 1944 by Hptm Strüning
too many He's shot down by Mossie NF's, remember most of the LW variants of the Uhu did not have rear warning radar installed.