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If this is the John M. that was on the podcast Plastic Model Mojo (#30), then I would recommend a listen. Then go to the PMM announced John's website to get refreshed on what was said. I have also seen many YouTube presentations on cleaning. One that stood out was a simple strategy. Never let your brush run dry, waste paint if you have to. Dump the left over paint and add a splash of the paints recommended thinner in the cup and swash with a Q-tip. Then do a couple of water rinses, performing a backwash with each. Dump the water, don't try to spray it out. Finally add a bit of cleaner or thinner and spray the AB till clear of the thinner. I have tried this and after three or four color changes the needle is 95% clean. So a full breakdown is not needed every time with this. Also mentioned, John may have said this as well, but before filling the cup with paint, add a little thinner to the cup and spray it out. The logic is that the innards are now coated and the paint wont dry to the parts when first added.Hey Guys,
First time here and I love this site
Full disclosure, I'm the guy behind Model Paint Solutions and the AB cleaning article previously mentioned.
The turning coin is an apt pic for this discussion. I will try and be succinct but that's not easy with this subject.
I've gotten into trouble before by answering this question bluntly and honestly and the most outraged emails usually come from AB distributors and/or Reps. In addition, the complete answer is nuanced and social media prefers sound-bites of yes/no, black/white. Okay, here we go:
Windex can be used without harming the finish (and this is really the important point)----IF IT IS NEVER ALLOWED TO DRY IN THE AIRBRUSH!! There is a caveat to this so please keep reading. Electroplating is affected as the ammonia in the Windex dries. So, if you remember to rinse the Windex out (fanatically) as part of your cleaning routine, it won't hurt your brush. Now here's the caveat, some AB brands have better plating than others. Not all AB's are created equal. That being the case, the brands with good plating resist corrosion better than those that don't. Being an AB junkie from an early age, I've owned most (all?) of the major brands of AB over the last 40 years and, most importantly, I regularly repair H-S, Iwata, Skybow, Higher-end Iwata Knock-offs, Grex, Paasche, Badger, and the occasional Thayer&Chandler as part of the AB services offered on MPS. I see what these brushes look like after years of use and if I've worked on your brush, you know that I regularly ask about the type of paints and cleaning routines used via email exchanges before beginning a rebuild. I've also witnessed the effects of long-term Windex use on my own brushes and it's a mixed bag.
Bottom line:
1) Brushes like H-S, Iwata, and some of the higher-end knock-offs withstand Windex well enough that the occasional lapse of memory leading to Windex being left in the cup to dry, doesn't lead to a loss in plating. Now, do that every day and yes, you'll start loosing plating no matter what AB brand you're using.
2) Brushes like Badger, Paasche, and Grex and most of the lower-end knock-offs, don't withstand exposure to Windex as well. I say this based on repairing them and owning them. This means that with those brushes you have to be more careful to rinse out the Windex during the cleaning routine as it only takes a couple missteps to start loosing plating.
NOTE: A final 5 minute soak in water or your favourite acrylic thinner as the last step of your cleaning routine should be sufficient to remove residual Windex. Note that I suggest a 5 Minute SOAK. It takes time for the last rinse of water/thinner to permeate the threads and crevices of the brush and displace residual ammonia. The very last step I use with my brushes is a 5' soak in Tamiya Airbrush Cleaner (Square bottle/Pink Top); good stuff.
Since, for some brushes, you have to be more careful when using Windex for cleaning, it's important to balance that with the upside of why it's an efficient cleaner. Many acrylic paints utilize thinners that are either alcohol- and/or ammonia-based. That being the case, a combination of Windex and IPA (Isopropyl Alcohol; the highest percent you can get from the grocery store/pharmacy) mixed at a ratio of 1:1 (50% Windex/50% Alcohol) is a very efficient cleaner for most acrylic paints even when the paint has dried. It is also very cheap Vs the "Airbrush Cleaners" made by the big manufacturers and, with careful use and that final soak/rinse, can be used for many years in most brushes with no issues.
Sorry for the long response but as I said in the opening, the complete answer requires some nuance.
I hope that helps.
Cheers!
--John M.
Yes, Gunze Mr. Color. Looking forward to trying it.That sounds like a really good cleaning routine.
Are you referring to Gunze Mr. Color?
If so, I think you'll find they shoot very nice when diluted with their "Leveling Thinner" and they clean real easy
Thanks for the comment.
If this is the John M. that was on the podcast Plastic Model Mojo (#30), then I would recommend a listen. Then go to the PMM announced John's website to get refreshed on what was said. I have also seen many YouTube presentations on cleaning. One that stood out was a simple strategy. Never let your brush run dry, waste paint if you have to. Dump the left over paint and add a splash of the paints recommended thinner in the cup and swash with a Q-tip. Then do a couple of water rinses, performing a backwash with each. Dump the water, don't try to spray it out. Finally add a bit of cleaner or thinner and spray the AB till clear of the thinner. I have tried this and after three or four color changes the needle is 95% clean. So a full breakdown is not needed every time with this. Also mentioned, John may have said this as well, but before filling the cup with paint, add a little thinner to the cup and spray it out. The logic is that the innards are now coated and the paint wont dry to the parts when first added.
Yes, Gunze Mr. Color. Looking forward to trying it.
At least you're not here to ask for color pics for a model you're building..........
Color pics For a Model I'm Building
Thanks very much.Thant's good stuff.
I dilute mine about 40:60 (paint:Gunze Leveling thinner).
In my experience, it's dry to the touch in a few hours and ready to handle after ~24.
G'luck!
Thanks John - This was very useful information. I will let you know how your procedures work out for me. Ed N.Hey Guys,
First time here and I love this site
Full disclosure, I'm the guy behind Model Paint Solutions and the AB cleaning article previously mentioned.
The turning coin is an apt pic for this discussion. I will try and be succinct but that's not easy with this subject.
I've gotten into trouble before by answering this question bluntly and honestly and the most outraged emails usually come from AB distributors and/or Reps. In addition, the complete answer is nuanced and social media prefers sound-bites of yes/no, black/white. Okay, here we go:
Windex can be used without harming the finish (and this is really the important point)----IF IT IS NEVER ALLOWED TO DRY IN THE AIRBRUSH!! There is a caveat to this so please keep reading. Electroplating is affected as the ammonia in the Windex dries. So, if you remember to rinse the Windex out (fanatically) as part of your cleaning routine, it won't hurt your brush. Now here's the caveat, some AB brands have better plating than others. Not all AB's are created equal. That being the case, the brands with good plating resist corrosion better than those that don't. Being an AB junkie from an early age, I've owned most (all?) of the major brands of AB over the last 40 years and, most importantly, I regularly repair H-S, Iwata, Skybow, Higher-end Iwata Knock-offs, Grex, Paasche, Badger, and the occasional Thayer&Chandler as part of the AB services offered on MPS. I see what these brushes look like after years of use and if I've worked on your brush, you know that I regularly ask about the type of paints and cleaning routines used via email exchanges before beginning a rebuild. I've also witnessed the effects of long-term Windex use on my own brushes and it's a mixed bag.
Bottom line:
1) Brushes like H-S, Iwata, and some of the higher-end knock-offs withstand Windex well enough that the occasional lapse of memory leading to Windex being left in the cup to dry, doesn't lead to a loss in plating. Now, do that every day and yes, you'll start loosing plating no matter what AB brand you're using.
2) Brushes like Badger, Paasche, and Grex and most of the lower-end knock-offs, don't withstand exposure to Windex as well. I say this based on repairing them and owning them. This means that with those brushes you have to be more careful to rinse out the Windex during the cleaning routine as it only takes a couple missteps to start loosing plating.
NOTE: A final 5 minute soak in water or your favourite acrylic thinner as the last step of your cleaning routine should be sufficient to remove residual Windex. Note that I suggest a 5 Minute SOAK. It takes time for the last rinse of water/thinner to permeate the threads and crevices of the brush and displace residual ammonia. The very last step I use with my brushes is a 5' soak in Tamiya Airbrush Cleaner (Square bottle/Pink Top); good stuff.
Since, for some brushes, you have to be more careful when using Windex for cleaning, it's important to balance that with the upside of why it's an efficient cleaner. Many acrylic paints utilize thinners that are either alcohol- and/or ammonia-based. That being the case, a combination of Windex and IPA (Isopropyl Alcohol; the highest percent you can get from the grocery store/pharmacy) mixed at a ratio of 1:1 (50% Windex/50% Alcohol) is a very efficient cleaner for most acrylic paints even when the paint has dried. It is also very cheap Vs the "Airbrush Cleaners" made by the big manufacturers and, with careful use and that final soak/rinse, can be used for many years in most brushes with no issues.
Sorry for the long response but as I said in the opening, the complete answer requires some nuance.
I hope that helps.
Cheers!
--John M.
I have been a long time modeler using Model Master enamels. Mode Master enamels are being phased put much to my demise. Thus I must shift to acrylics. I have begun researching the use of acrylics, particularly cleaning techniques. Could any of you give me some best practice hints?