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here is some data i can find
to be honest the sea fury doesn't seem to be superior to either P/F-51H or F8F-2
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here is some data i can findWhere does the Sea Fury fit in to this section, its more than a match for anything else mentioned including the Bearcat.
F8F-2
Maximum speed: 455 mph (405 kn, 730 km/h)
Service ceiling: 40,800 ft (12,436 m)
Rate of climb: 4,465 ft/min (23.2 m/s)
Power/mass: 0.22 hp/lb (360 W/kg)
P/F-51H
Maximum speed : 487 mph (784 km/h) at 25,000 ft (7,620 m)
Service ceiling : 41,700 ft (12,710 m. basic) / 44,300 ft (13,500 m. interceptor)
Rate of climb : 5,210 ft/min (26.5 m/s) at 4,400 ft (570 m)
Power/mass 0.20 hp/lb (0.33 kW/kg)
Wing loading 39.9 lb/ft� (194.7 kg/m�)
to be honest the sea fury doesn't seem to be superior to either P/F-51H or F8F-2Sea fury
Maximum speed: 460 mph (400 knots, 740 km/h) at 18,000 ft (5,500 m)
Range: 700 mi (609 nmi, 1,126 km)with internal fuel; 1,040 mi (904 nmi, 1,674 km) with two drop tanks
Service ceiling: 35,800 ft (10,910 m)
Rate of climb: 4,320 ft/min (21.9 m/s)
iam not quite sure , what the common speed for dog fight ? 400 , 600 or 700 km/h ?Depends on speed?
btw do twin engine dive better as well , i mean as they are heavierFirepower. Can be better night fighters, due to ability to have second crew member. Hornet climbed great at all altitudes, and have had excellent range. Not so much the Tigercat, but that one was probably a rugged bird, being made by Grummann and featuring two radial engines. BTW, the variant of the F7F you mentioned was a night fighter. The P-51H was not well suited for CV work.
Only the F4U qualifies as a 'full' ww2 aircraft.
hahahaha , i think the the ta-152 is the most beautiful ACIt was just so much cooler
yeah i do agree that the spitfire seem to have really impressive performerI would forget the Spiteful - the handling wasn't, apparently, up to Spitfire standards and it didn't take much to stuff up the "laminar" flow wings, so that the performance was barely more than a contemporary Spitfire.
For Spitfires there is the Mk 24. The 20-series Spits had a stronger wing than the earlier Spits, 4 cannon armament (short barrel Mk V Hispanos) and later Griffon variants. They could still climb quite well, but didn't turn as well as a Mk XIV/XVIII.
Also, initial climb rates can be misleading. The P-51H had a higher initial climb rate than the Spitfire XIV, but time to altitude is closely matched to 20,000ft, and in the Spits favour to 30,000ft.
For a post war development, it would have been interesting to see a XIV/XVIII (the XVIII was an improved XIV) with the three speed 2 stage 100-series Griffon from one of the Spiteful prototypes. The two speed Griffons, in British parlance, used Medium Supercharged (MS) and Fully Supercharged (FS) gears. The three speed added a Low Supercharged (LS) gear to improve power at lower altitudes. Should have helped initial climb rate and time to climb.
hahahaha , i think the the ta-152 is the most beautiful AC
iam not quite sure , what the common speed for dog fight ? 400 , 600 or 700 km/h ?
does the F8F-2 turn much better than P-51H , spitfire , zero ?
Maybe it would be a god idea to delete the graphs from wwiiaircraftperformance.com, and just stating links instead?
The Sea Fury was a CV aircraft, and that always involves a performance penalty. It would be good to compare speeds at, say, 5000 ft, than at 15000 ft, than at 25000 ft, to arrive at more complete figures?
i do know this , however people have been told alot about how agile the bearcat compared to other fighter so i kind of get the impression that it turn well at both low and high speedThe "depends on speed" that Tomo speaks of means: At a given altitude and speed state (meaning constant speed or higher g-loading decelerating speed) an aircraft will have a defined turn radius and degrees per second that it turns. The smaller the circle and greater the degrees per second the better. It is usually not a linear event, or a slow speed excellent turning aircraft will not always translate into an excellent high speed turning aircraft or vice versa.
What does the data at wwiiaircraftperformce.com say, at least for speed? You may also find out the power-to-weight ratios, and then determine the agility.
this one P-51H Performance TestNow you have me scratching my head between what little of hair is left. The website has tables charts for speeds at altitudes, for all of the 3 A/C you are asking. What tests were you reading there, that don't have speed tables and graphs?
The engine power does change with altitude, you can go to the site and dig the engines' tables and charts; some tables charts are available here.
and then i found this which confuse me even further ??Maximum speed at critical altitudes
High blower (67.0" and 3000 RPM) 30750' 450.0 MPH
(61.0" and 3000 RPM) 32550' 444.5 MPH
Low blower (67.0" and 3000 RPM) 16400' 435.0 MPH
(61.0" and 3000 RPM) 19300' 432.5 MPH
B. Maximum speed at sea level
(67.0" and 3000 RPM) 358.0 MPH
(61.0" and 3000 RPM) 351.0 MPH
C. Rate of Climb
1. Sea Level (67.0" and 3000 RPM) 3200 ft/min.
(61.0" and 3000 RPM) 2875 ft/min.
2. Low blower critical altitudes
(67.0" and 3000 RPM) 3395 ft/min.
(61.0" and 3000 RPM) 3080 ft/min.
3. High blower critical altitudes
(67.0" and 3000 RPM) 2640 ft/min.
(61.0" and 3000 RPM) 2360 ft/min.
4. Time to climb to service ceiling
(67.0" and 3000 RPM) 23.7 min.
(61.0" and 3000 RPM) 24.6 min.
http://www.alternatewars.com/WW2/Aircraft/P-51HML.htmPerformance (Air Superiority, with two 165 gallon drop tanks)
Maximum Speed
300~ MPH at Sea Level
413 MPH at Sea Level with Water Injection
391 MPH at 22,700 ft
474 MPH at 22,700 ft with Water Injection
437~ MPH (roughly) at 33,000 ft (roughly) with Water Injection
Link from that test: speed graph. There is also several other tests of the P-51H there, both with tables and charts.
F8F-2 : SAC
Fury and Sea Fury data (3 files) is accessible under British A/C 'group'. Ditto for Seafire XV (one file, though).