Crimea_River
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The efforts of people who research and publish work should always be acknowledged, whether there is a legal requirement to do so or not. It's common courtesy, something that's becoming a rare commodity on the net.
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Not enough Winner can be given here...
R Leonard
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On the other hand, you ALWAYS credit me on the rare occasions I actually have something to contribute to one of your projects
Rich
For reference: What countries laws are we operating under? Copyright laws vary from country to country, and many WW1 autobiographies are now in the public domain for countries that copyright expires 70 years after the authors death.
Shortround6
Major General
I beleive the US has just decided that anything from 1923 or before id public domain (there may be some exclusions to this if extension were filed(?)
Next year the US gets to see what 1924 was like
Next year the US gets to see what 1924 was like
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
I believe that Horse is working to be compliant with EU laws, as they appear to be stricter than the U.S. and other countries.
MIflyer
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I don't mind if people use material from my published articles, but then again I am the only one I know of that does that. My Air Classics article, Duncan's Hot Rod, was put on the 9th Photo Recon website, with my name as the author and with permission given by the magazine, which never paid me for the article, by the way. I wrote it as a tribute to a friend of mine and I was glad to see it; it required little effort on my part to write in any case.
However, there are some sellers on ebay who have been known to take public domain information, claim they have copyrighted it, and sell it, while claiming no one has the right to do so. Screw them!
However, there are some sellers on ebay who have been known to take public domain information, claim they have copyrighted it, and sell it, while claiming no one has the right to do so. Screw them!
Crimea_River
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Our Mosquito restoration group was featured in an Air Classics article as well. All they did was lift pieces of one of our quarterly reports from our website to publish the article. No permission was sought, nor was anyone interviewed for the article. Probably legal but it just felt wrong that someone could basically fill their pages with pictures and words that we wrote and sell magazines with it.
MIflyer
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My interest in writing for the magazines decreased quite a bit when I realized they pay a total of maybe $2000 for all the content in one issue. Even so, I would have still written more if Wings/Airpower was still around.
The Air Classics article was basically left over info I collected while writing a 4500 word article for Wings/Airpower. It was rejected by Aviation History with some pretty absurd comments (e.g., If you are flying a photo recon airplane, are intercepted, and have an engine shot out you still have not been in combat because you did not have guns). I was glad Air Classics took it and gave it a good treatment, because my friend and the other men from 9th Photo Recon just loved it.
I do wish they had done a better job of retyping it because I keep getting asked about their typos.
The Air Classics article was basically left over info I collected while writing a 4500 word article for Wings/Airpower. It was rejected by Aviation History with some pretty absurd comments (e.g., If you are flying a photo recon airplane, are intercepted, and have an engine shot out you still have not been in combat because you did not have guns). I was glad Air Classics took it and gave it a good treatment, because my friend and the other men from 9th Photo Recon just loved it.
I do wish they had done a better job of retyping it because I keep getting asked about their typos.
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I have often wondered if it is a problem to post those performance graphs in wwiiaircraftperformance.org? Seems like the information would be public knowledge being official government information, but they all have "wwiiaircraftperformance.org superimposed on each item.
I always really liked that site and sure wouldn't want to run afoul of copyright laws from posting on a message board.
I have emailed that site a couple of times but never got a reply. I believe some here know the principal(s), would be interested in their viewpoint.
Anybody know?
I can only say with regards to that site, that I recodnise many of the pages on it because I have copied the orginals at archives in the UK. I would say (having looked in depth at the legal papers of these archives), that the website you mention is "sailing close to the wind". It is tricky as the "Crown Copyright" is often expired, but the archive retains a sort of "unnofficial" copyright of its own as they pay to store and preserve the files and are the legal custodians of them. They do not like people making high-quality copies online because they make a lot of money in copyright fees to publishers to use their images, if you use them for "non-profit" purposes the area becomes a bit fuzzy provided that each picture is properly cited and referenced (the rules are different for each archive).... but if I were you, I would avoid copy-pasting from "wwiiaircraftperformance.org" - I do not really know how they claim to be getting away with putting their own stamp on images clearly taken from archives, but as I said I believe them to be "sailing close to the wind" with their strategy on that one....
This is not legal advice, just my personal opinion.
A small "tip". Google image search allows you to search by copyright usage, (click on IMAGES>TOOLS>USAGE-RIGHTS). This way you can be (fairly) sure that an image of a plane or whatever is not infringing someones rights.
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MIflyer
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Numerous ebay resellers will take some public domain Govt material, stick an intro page on it with their logo, and claim it as theirs. I guess that with the capabilities of some of the later PDF manipulators we can strip that stuff off.
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
I've been seeing a great deal of WWII photographs ending up on Alamy and Shutterstock, too.
Not sure how they can legally do that, to be honest.
Not sure how they can legally do that, to be honest.
There's nothing stopping them from charging for something that is out of copyright, after all Shakespeare is well out of copyright by now.
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
That may be so, but I can't see how they can sell you an image and grant you commercial rights to something they don't own.
Like this image, for example, where licensing can be as high as $149 for commercial usage.
Not sure what their arrangements with the Bundesarchiv are, or when Oscar Tellgmann died.
Bundesarchiv terms of use do have a provision for copyright protection of the original owner. So there are a couple of legitimate avenues, but it does look a bit suspicious.
Two words. "Fair Use". It is the law in the UK and by court decision in the US.
And always know that if a person can prove copyright ownership,, they can requested irt be removed.
Pictures only have a copyright with regard to the person who took the picture. Owning a picture in your collection does not give you any legal copyright protection. If you don't want it shown around, don't post on the internet.
Misrepresenting the full extent of the law is also a violation.
And always know that if a person can prove copyright ownership,, they can requested irt be removed.
Pictures only have a copyright with regard to the person who took the picture. Owning a picture in your collection does not give you any legal copyright protection. If you don't want it shown around, don't post on the internet.
Misrepresenting the full extent of the law is also a violation.
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Again posting links to download complete books equals copyright violation, and is not allowed on this forum.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Bumping this because of the recent misunderstanding of the rules.
We expect from all users to take their responsibility as it's un-doable for the forum team to check every post on the forum. As for copyright rules, we just take no chances. We're dealing with many law-makers internationally with each their own rules. So when in doubt, material will be removed without discussion and if someone refuses to send you a scan from a book, just get the book yourself.
The guidelines are when using sources:
- make sure you have permission to use them
- make sure this is legal both under US law and EU law
- When posting an external source, always mention the source and give them credit
- When in doubt, explicitly put the question forward to the forum team
Last but not least, as for any problem on the forum, don't just assume that we'll see it. Use the Report function if you think there is a copyright infringement or any other disobedience of the rules. That's what the function is for. I can assure you, we will see that notification if you do so.
We expect from all users to take their responsibility as it's un-doable for the forum team to check every post on the forum. As for copyright rules, we just take no chances. We're dealing with many law-makers internationally with each their own rules. So when in doubt, material will be removed without discussion and if someone refuses to send you a scan from a book, just get the book yourself.
The guidelines are when using sources:
- make sure you have permission to use them
- make sure this is legal both under US law and EU law
- When posting an external source, always mention the source and give them credit
- When in doubt, explicitly put the question forward to the forum team
Last but not least, as for any problem on the forum, don't just assume that we'll see it. Use the Report function if you think there is a copyright infringement or any other disobedience of the rules. That's what the function is for. I can assure you, we will see that notification if you do so.
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Just to add to Marcel's post above...
This forum nor our staff (admins/moderators) tolerate copyright infringement. When found, we remove the post, and warn the person who is posting the works or requesting it.
We unfortunately missed the post in the Ta 153 thread. There are hundreds if not thousands of posts every day on this forum. It is impossible for us to read all of them. We also have lives outside of this forum, and families. We are not paid, so we have full-time jobs. We cannot be here at all times, and do not see every infraction.
Therefore use the report function and notify us of any issues that go unnoticed. It helps us out. It's also better than getting mad at our forum and staff and saying you are going to not participate in the forum because we apparently allow actions or behavior that we most certainly do not allow.
This forum nor our staff (admins/moderators) tolerate copyright infringement. When found, we remove the post, and warn the person who is posting the works or requesting it.
We unfortunately missed the post in the Ta 153 thread. There are hundreds if not thousands of posts every day on this forum. It is impossible for us to read all of them. We also have lives outside of this forum, and families. We are not paid, so we have full-time jobs. We cannot be here at all times, and do not see every infraction.
Therefore use the report function and notify us of any issues that go unnoticed. It helps us out. It's also better than getting mad at our forum and staff and saying you are going to not participate in the forum because we apparently allow actions or behavior that we most certainly do not allow.
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