Mr. Der Alder:
That is not correct.
Whenever I´ve talked down any members, I was simply responding in the same intensity to comments previously sent by them to me.
You can read again on the "Best combination of maneuverability and speed" thread, where many of you made a scandal when I said "I am wasting my time" to Sir KrazyKanuk in one of my postings.
If you read a mere 3 or 4 postings before mine, you will discover Sir KrazyKanuk told me exactly that. This is easy to verifiy. He first threw the tomato.
So, what I did was just to respond in same intensity to a comment first launched at me. And as I have said, no one told anything to KrazyKanuk for being likewise smart enough to feel he is wasting his time here.
Der Adler: point (5) of your comment is way out of the line. My attitude can be trainable, so I´d appreciate it very greatly if you could please post or PM me with any comments from me that fit within such category. Getting cornered and start launching insults as the only resource? I do not think so.
You have the right to like and defend Plan_D as much as you want; in a diametrically opposed scenario you have the right to dislike me or my views i do not care, but what you can not deny is the fact the individual is way worse than I am when it comes to launch insults at people here and has not received any sort of words to refrain himself from behaving in such a manner. (need more examples? you can read his rant on some argentinian members who were calmly dicussing the Argentinian-British war of the Falklands).
Sorry guys, this was my last comment regarding this issue. Do not want to divert the content of the thread no more. I was just exercising my right to defend myself.
Jabberwocky:
It is not necessary to be sarcastic. I have some 30 photos of the German "assembly" of barges, the motley fleet that would allegedly take the german invasion force across the channel.
Also I have the Hitler´s famous directive.
You think I´ve not come across the evidence you are presenting to make a case?
It´d appear you just want to see the evidence that will make you feel more comfortable.
I will finish this by asking you something -also for you Mr. Hunter368-, are you going to say the following can not dispute your case?
(i) Germany´s official peace offering (made twice: a consistent foreign policy regarding the British empire, which by the way, Hitler admired). Did Hitler ever, EVER, thought of peace with the soviets?
Consistent even with the defeated France: other than assuring it would not fall in British hands, no claims were ever made to the French fleet or France´s african colonies. Did Hitler sent military units to occupy the french territories, say, in Alger or Morocco? I mean, someone as obssesed with conquering more and more, as he has been portrayed, would have sent soldiers, just for the glorious photo. He did not. Concentrated blow against the east. No scatering of my military.
(ii) Hitler´s obssesion with destroying the bolsheviks.
Hitler´s war commenced aiming east. Poland. A barrier standing between Germany and the favorite foe: USSR.
Making the political and military aid operations with nations of eastern europe -and Finland- to gain allies and secure the flanks for the projected war against the soviets (I have several books focused solely on this particular issue, I can recommend you some if you wish).
(iii) As some of you have correctly suggested here, Germany was unfamiliar with seaborne operations. The allies apparently fit in the same category, for their first attempt at Dieppe got completely obliterated.
There is something to be clarified though, unfamiliar, or unexperienced with seaborne operations does not make you a fool. Not even Hitler can be called a fool in 1940.
You think the Germans did not know the Royal Navy existed? Do you think they did not know of the British seamenship?
The German military doctrine was one of armored spearheads in close cooperation of the Luftwaffe´s flying artillery. Do you think they did not rapidly discover it would be close to impossible to get their tanks across the channel with the things they had available?
Hunter368, yes, Hitler wanted peace, but hey, he was not a lamb right?
Think of this, and I believe it is here where you miss the point:
I will try -and want- to make peace with you, please...but if you continue in the bully mode inspite of my efforts it will get to the point where I´ll say "to hell with you, really want to fight? good, I will be glad to please your needs you bloody sod..."
So, if Hitler had in fact been this blood thirsty sod, trying to expand his conquest just for the fun of it, and you have to believe this, he would have sent everything out to attempt the invasion of England in 1940.
Hitler was not a man that would save the blood of his military when it came to meet his expectations, especially when the enemy was the soviet one.
At Stalingrad, a time when issues peaked, he did not care, at all. It is very likely he knew that if his orders were to be carried out the 6th Army would be doomed: he decided to doom the army. Let it be. Period.
So for the alleged "Seelowe", had England really been a plan, he would have ordered Admiral Raeder to bring everything: battlecruisers "Scharnhorst" and "Gneisenau", all the heavy cruisers, the few light cruisers and whatever destroyers available, also the bulk of the U-boat force. I do not recall exactly what was "Bismarck" doing by this months -conducting sea trials if recall correctly- but perhaps also "Bismarck" takes part.
Anf of course, about the entire Luftwaffe.
All the eggs in one basket? Never.
That perhaps Hitler in fact may have desired to invade the island, sure!When finally realizing peace would not be possible in the west, and a war with several fronts was a definitive, a permanent reality, and never as a fundamental plan or goal.
Again, Hitler was no fool. Although he sought peace with the Empire, also he knew there could be a possibility for his foreign policy for the west to fail, and have England as an enemy.
Hitler´s alleged plan to invade England was more the product of a sudden undesired circumstance and not one of premeditation and profound desire.