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They are hardly the only nation to have done that,though "world domination" was not really a nazi objective. Even a nation as young as yours should be wary of casting the first stone. There are many less than edifying episodes in most of our histories,including attempts at genocide,the use of slave labour and many more.Do I need to go on?
The kind of savagery perpetrated by the nazis is part of human nature,not specifically German.
I can see no conceivable reason why a young German today should feel responsible for,or guilty about,the sins of his grandfathers.
I think it was the criminally deliberate consigning of a class of people to starvation and death as the Russians preferred to industrialise rather than give resources to mitigate a famine (and yes I am aware of the outrageous murderous demands the Soviet state made on the starving to supply foodstuffs and yes I will agree that this may - accepting that it is subject to debate - qualify as an act of genocide against some of the Ukrainian people).
It also has its equivelant in WW2 in the way the nazi regime systematically starved people on numerous occasions on a large scale too.
...... but it is still not the same Auschwitz etc etc.
.....and again, nothing the British ever did compares in any serious way to Auschwitz etc etc. Not even the Boer war concentration camps.
As far as im concerned, germany was, and always will be a morally bankrupt state that can never be allowed to forget its past..... I am not referring to the people, the current generation is blameless. i am referring to the concept that is Germany. no matter how hard it tries, it will always be tainted by that spectre
Thank you. Part I do not understand - 'may'? It targeted Ukrainian people specific. It was planned and constructed by men, not by nature. Millions died. So - 'may'?
My (and most scholar) definition of genocide is intentional mass killing (direct or indirect) of a group.
Method of killing (forcing into living conditions leading to death, starvation, direct killing, sterilizing etc.), selection method of group (racial, national, class, tribal, age, religion etc.) is not relevant for decide if its genocide or not.
What sets apart Holodomor and Holocaust is method of killing
I think you miss the point - I was making reference to so-called World Domination plans, not comparing the level of attorcities commited by British or German Empires.
I was pointing out that if ever there was such as a 'world domination plan' (I think Alexander the Great was the only person with such BTW), it is certain to see such accusation and moralism come from anyone in the former British Empire.. ironical.
The notion is subject of irony portrayed by Cpt. Blackadder 'how did the war start' satire.
I disagree with all my heart that germany as state/concept always will be a morally bankrupt state.
I was asking a question, NOT making an excuse. Hence the 'question mark' Instead of a 'period'.Using the unfairness of the Treat of Versaille to back up any thing Nazi Germany did is a cheesey excuse.
The Treaty of Vesailles was without doubt unfair to Germany but how long were all the middle european powers unfair to Poland pre 1918 , there are many treaties that are unfair in some sense or another but having an unfair treaty is what kind of reason to attack Netherlands or Denmark which as far as I know had nothing to do with the Treaty Of Versailles . Using the unfairness of the Treat of Versaille to back up any thing Nazi Germany did is a cheesey excuse.
Gixxerman, just a question here, no disrespect implied or intended, but in your opinion how much of the WWII Germans goverment aggression was atributed to the Treaty of Versailles?
Do you think that it was one of the main causes of Germany invading France (aside from France declaring war on Germany)? Many Thanks.
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This is my personal opinion and not offensive but Poland has/had the ****.. worst geographic place on this earth.
Edit:
This is my personal opinion and not offensive but Poland has/had the ****.. worst geographic place on this earth.
+1Very good post Gixxerman!
I totaly agree with you.
Not "hypocrisy", John. Denial. All of us are are hypocrites about some things, but when a nation side-steps inconvenient historical fact ( e.g. biological warfare experiments by Imperial Japan in China) then that is a very disturbing symptom. Japan will have to deal with it sooner or later, IMHO, and they are a strong, resilient culture .. they will.
MM