Well said, Steve.
Okay, I stand corrected about that.
Tante Ju mentioned there was not a second front until 1944.
Okay, I stand corrected about that.
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Tante Ju mentioned there was not a second front until 1944.
It This has evolved into a trend in recent years to diminish the role of Britain and her allies. Some young British people,even of Indo/Pakistani origin, are completely unaware that India had any involvement in WWII at all! The Indian Army became the largest volunteer force in history with a strength of about 2.5 million.
How easily we forget,particularly when it doesn't suit us to remember.
Really it is only the first point on which we differ widely.
Germany always had her eyes on the land and resources lying to her East.
A quick scan of the appalling turgid prose of" Mein Kamf " gives the game away,if you can read it without falling asleep.
There may not be a "historical" precedent, but then there was no Germany before 1871, Seigfried.
There is no historical precendent for this.
No it didn't and no it also never did lust for land in resource in the east at least as far as Russia/Soviet union is concerned........
To Hitler the German people was just a means to a end. That was fully revealed in his last actions late in the war, he had no concerns of what would happen to the German people after his death. In his opinion, he hadn't failed Germany. Germany had failed him.There is no historical precendent for this.
No it didn't and no it also never did lust for land in resource in the east at least as far as Russia/Soviet union is concerned. Part of the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth came to be absorbed into Fredericks Prussian empire because the Polish-Nobillity and King had allowed a Russian army through their country, feeding it on the way, to attack Prussia. No king could tollerate such a government.
After WW1, Predominantly at the insistance of France large areas of land and large parts of the German population were driven driven into newely created nations way beyind the traditional area of those nations. The Suddetenn Germans didn't want to be part of Czechoslovakia and neither did the Slovaks. They were even denied Swiss style democractic cantonic govermment. During 1920 council elections about 80 unarmed ethnic german demonstrators were killed by Czech police. No one forgets their "bloody sunday". They were sacked from the public service, they had their land appropriated by the new Governments and redistributed to Czechs with new Czch schools and villages built in those areas. They were threatened by ethnic cleansing, the same happened in Poland. The Germans in these areas filed complaints by the tens of thousands with the League of nations who did nothing. These nations were made much larger than was decent and correct at the insistance of a should have been French circus clown called Clementau who created and impossible situation for Europe.
Incidently France was a country which had been asked by the Kaiser government if they would stay neutral in the event of a war between Germany and Russia and actually replied no. Part of the reason was secret British Naval guarantees of 1905 which promised Royal Navy support in the even the German Navy and French Navy came into conflict. Thus supported the French felt secure in not being neutral and takeing opporunity to take revenge for their loss in the Franco Prussian war as soon as Germany turned its back to face the Tzar.
For the majority of Germans WW2 was about protecting other Germans who had the misfortune of ending up with in these new nations without plebescite.
Mein Kampf wouldn't have been effective if it had of been written in the haughty turgid tones used by loathing thematic biographers like Kershaw. such small minded men can't even avoid makeing snide remarks over Eva Brauns hairstyle. Kershaw even takes Hitlers pain at the loss of his pet terrier as evidence that he couldn't relate to humans. That would be news to most pet owners wouldn't it? He's the Perez Hilton of WW2 Hitler Histories.
Hitler was highly intelligent, he was of artistic temprement and thus lacked a sense of proportion and prefered grande and total solutions. He fed himself as a teenager for several years when his mother died by selling paintings, he essentially architecturally redesigned the city of Linz as a boy.
When Hitler wrote grimmly and fantastically about the possibillity of building an empire big enough and able to sustain and resource itself by takeing eastern European countries into a greater empire most people simply ignored it and considered it as a result of the anger he felt at 2 million of his collegiate German solidiers dying in WW1.. He says as much in mein kampf and refers to the wasted lives of the 2 million. It was also a time when demobed solidier "Freikorps" defended Germany against further seizures of land by Polish armed forces in 1919 and 1920. Mein Kampf was written in the immediate aftermath of that dreadfull war when feelings were high so this was put aside. A war he volunteered in, survived 4 years in, obtained both a iron cross second and then first class, a wound badge in black in 1915 (6 months in hospital) managed to single handely capture an entire French patrol and bring them in alone and took several other prisoners on his own. This was a passionate and dedicated man. He commited no atrocities, killed no POW, harmed no animals (rather loved them) at this time. However this war hardened him.
Hitler liked total and solutions, he was not an politician beholden to lobbies so he had great freedom of action. He decided to come up with a total permanent solution to Germany being the meat in the Sandwitch between Poland, France (both Hostile, france invaded german states no less than 25 times). Since the Danzig issue wasn't solved by diplomacy and negotiation (likely due to British gurantees under pressure from Roosevelt) there clearly wasn't going to be much opportunity for using military force, then just withdrawing, hoping that the slightly diminished Poland would now respect the Polish corridor to Danzig. Hitler saw Poland and the Soviet union as a source of eternal threat, so he came up with a solution.
No one knew what Hitler was planning. When the Belgium Fortress Emmanthaal had to be taken to secure the eastern military routes into Belgium he studied the matter himself and decided that there was only once succesfull fortress capture in WW1 and that had been due to ballistic penetration. As no possible guns existed Hitler personally studied the literature and worked out that shaped charges might do the job. He then enquired whether they could be scalled up. When the paratrooper Kurt Student was called to Hitlers Office by Goering, Goering had to admit he knew nothing of why he was calling Student. Hitler came up with his own ideas all by himself. They were creative, right brained, radical as came from his artistic mentallity and teenage style of working (mulling over the idea before a flurry of activity). That's the way Hitler planned the bigger actions of WW2.
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This has evolved into a trend in recent years to diminish the role of Britain and her allies. Some young British people,even of Indo/Pakistani origin, are completely unaware that India had any involvement in WWII at all! The Indian Army became the largest volunteer force in history with a strength of about 2.5 million.
How easily we forget,particularly when it doesn't suit us to remember.
Cheers
Steve
There is no historical precendent for this.
No it didn't and no it also never did lust for land in resource in the east at least as far as Russia/Soviet union is concerned. Part of the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth came to be absorbed into Fredericks Prussian empire because the Polish-Nobillity and King had allowed a Russian army through their country, feeding it on the way, to attack Prussia. No king could tollerate such a government.
After WW1, Predominantly at the insistance of France large areas of land and large parts of the German population were driven driven into newely created nations way beyind the traditional area of those nations. The Suddetenn Germans didn't want to be part of Czechoslovakia and neither did the Slovaks. They were even denied Swiss style democractic cantonic govermment. During 1920 council elections about 80 unarmed ethnic german demonstrators were killed by Czech police. No one forgets their "bloody sunday". They were sacked from the public service, they had their land appropriated by the new Governments and redistributed to Czechs with new Czch schools and villages built in those areas. They were threatened by ethnic cleansing, the same happened in Poland. The Germans in these areas filed complaints by the tens of thousands with the League of nations who did nothing. These nations were made much larger than was decent and correct at the insistance of a should have been French circus clown called Clementau who created and impossible situation for Europe.
Incidently France was a country which had been asked by the Kaiser government if they would stay neutral in the event of a war between Germany and Russia and actually replied no. Part of the reason was secret British Naval guarantees of 1905 which promised Royal Navy support in the even the German Navy and French Navy came into conflict. Thus supported the French felt secure in not being neutral and takeing opporunity to take revenge for their loss in the Franco Prussian war as soon as Germany turned its back to face the Tzar.
For the majority of Germans WW2 was about protecting other Germans who had the misfortune of ending up with in these new nations without plebescite.
Mein Kampf wouldn't have been effective if it had of been written in the haughty turgid tones used by loathing thematic biographers like Kershaw. such small minded men can't even avoid makeing snide remarks over Eva Brauns hairstyle. Kershaw even takes Hitlers pain at the loss of his pet terrier as evidence that he couldn't relate to humans. That would be news to most pet owners wouldn't it? He's the Perez Hilton of WW2 Hitler Histories.
Hitler was highly intelligent, he was of artistic temprement and thus lacked a sense of proportion and prefered grande and total solutions. He fed himself as a teenager for several years when his mother died by selling paintings, he essentially architecturally redesigned the city of Linz as a boy.
When Hitler wrote grimmly and fantastically about the possibillity of building an empire big enough and able to sustain and resource itself by takeing eastern European countries into a greater empire most people simply ignored it and considered it as a result of the anger he felt at 2 million of his collegiate German solidiers dying in WW1.. He says as much in mein kampf and refers to the wasted lives of the 2 million. It was also a time when demobed solidier "Freikorps" defended Germany against further seizures of land by Polish armed forces in 1919 and 1920. Mein Kampf was written in the immediate aftermath of that dreadfull war when feelings were high so this was put aside. A war he volunteered in, survived 4 years in, obtained both a iron cross second and then first class, a wound badge in black in 1915 (6 months in hospital) managed to single handely capture an entire French patrol and bring them in alone and took several other prisoners on his own. This was a passionate and dedicated man. He commited no atrocities, killed no POW, harmed no animals (rather loved them) at this time. However this war hardened him.
Hitler liked total and solutions, he was not an politician beholden to lobbies so he had great freedom of action. He decided to come up with a total permanent solution to Germany being the meat in the Sandwitch between Poland, France (both Hostile, france invaded german states no less than 25 times). Since the Danzig issue wasn't solved by diplomacy and negotiation (likely due to British gurantees under pressure from Roosevelt) there clearly wasn't going to be much opportunity for using military force, then just withdrawing, hoping that the slightly diminished Poland would now respect the Polish corridor to Danzig. Hitler saw Poland and the Soviet union as a source of eternal threat, so he came up with a solution.
No one knew what Hitler was planning. When the Belgium Fortress Emmanthaal had to be taken to secure the eastern military routes into Belgium he studied the matter himself and decided that there was only once succesfull fortress capture in WW1 and that had been due to ballistic penetration. As no possible guns existed Hitler personally studied the literature and worked out that shaped charges might do the job. He then enquired whether they could be scalled up. When the paratrooper Kurt Student was called to Hitlers Office by Goering, Goering had to admit he knew nothing of why he was calling Student. Hitler came up with his own ideas all by himself. They were creative, right brained, radical as came from his artistic mentallity and teenage style of working (mulling over the idea before a flurry of activity). That's the way Hitler planned the bigger actions of WW2.
Hitler came up with his own ideas all by himself. They were creative, right brained, radical as came from his artistic mentallity and teenage style of working (mulling over the idea before a flurry of activity). That's the way Hitler planned the bigger actions of WW2.
To Hitler the German people was just a means to a end. That was fully revealed in his last actions late in the war, he had no concerns of what would happen to the German people after his death. In his opinion, he hadn't failed Germany. Germany had failed him.
Instead of taking responsibility for his own actions, he took the cowards way out, and let other people take the punishment.
So finally Siegfried, you fully reveal yourself, not only the reincarnation of the 3rd reich's ministry of propaganda, but also a open admirer of Adolf Hitler.