Clay, how about the "new wings" from the F.21 onwards? To be honest, I like those better than the earlier "true" elliptical wings.
Venganza
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I know it is, but something in my head does not like big weird round wings.
I like those, they were very cool looking.Clay, how about the "new wings" from the F.21 onwards? To be honest, I like those better than the earlier "true" elliptical wings.
Venganza
What are you talking about designed with only 2 machine guns???]
The Bf 109A ("Anton") was the first version of the Bf 109. The armament, planned to be only two cowl-mounted 7.92 mm (.312 in) MG 17 machine guns.
I cannot be illogical if I am putting forward my opinions whch are factual.
Any fighter can shoot down any other fighter if it has the tactical advantage.
It does help that this was in a time before self sealing fuel tanks.What are you talking about designed with only 2 machine guns???]
The Bf 109A ("Anton") was the first version of the Bf 109. The armament, planned to be only two cowl-mounted 7.92 mm (.312 in) MG 17 machine guns.
I cannot be illogical if I am putting forward my opinions whch are factual.
Any fighter can shoot down any other fighter if it has the tactical advantage.
I couldn't help it but when I read that it reminded me of a South Park episode!I like those, they were very cool looking.
I said it was illogical, I didn't say it was revolting.I couldn't help it but when I read that it reminded me of a South Park episode!
Kyle: Hey Stan, did you see that rainbow this morning?
Stan: Yeah, it was huge.
Cartman: Huh! I hate those things.
Kyle: Nobody hates rainbows.
Stan: Yeah, what's there to hate about rainbows?
Cartman: Well, you know you'll just be sitting there minding your own business and they'll come marching in and crawl up your leg and start biting the inside of your ass and you'll be like - Hey! Get out of my ass you stupid rainbows!
<silence>
Stan: Cartman, what the hell are you talking about?
Cartman: I'm talking about rainbows, I hate those frigging things.
Kyle: Rainbows are those little arches of color that show up during a rainstorm.
Cartman: Oh, Rain-bows - oh yeah I like those - those, are cool.
Stan: What were you talking about?
Cartman: Huh? Oh nothing, forget it.
Kyle: What marches in, crawles up your leg...
Cartman: Nothing.
Kyle: ...and bites the inside of your ass?
Cartman: Nothing!
just kiddin bro
Kris
It does help that this was in a time before self sealing fuel tanks.
Prople forget that the Bf 109 and Spitfire and Huricane was designed before 1935 when the only air combat to fall back on was the WW1.
Two machine guns and biplanes were still considered vogue in the 1930s.
The Bf 109 was designed with the same guns as the He 51 which first flew only 2 years earlier,
What are you talking about designed with only 2 machine guns???]
The Bf 109A ("Anton") was the first version of the Bf 109. The armament, planned to be only two cowl-mounted 7.92 mm (.312 in) MG 17 machine guns.
I cannot be illogical if I am putting forward my opinions whch are factual.
Any fighter can shoot down any other fighter if it has the tactical advantage.
I will concede the original design was so, but the 109s that saw service in WW2 were nothing close to being under armed. I think that is where the conversation went to, and I am sorry if I took it wrong.
I still think your illogical hate is illogical...
Prople forget that the Bf 109 and Spitfire and Huricane was designed before 1935 when the only air combat to fall back on was the WW1.
Two machine guns and biplanes were still considered vogue in the 1930s.
The Bf 109 was designed with the same guns as the He 51 which first flew only 2 years earlier,
Yes you are correct, when I read your post I was thinking only of the Bf 109E onwards.
Nothing like a southpark episode to shed light on a situation.....
Huh?
Oh oh! I seem to become the official Me 163 protectorMe-163.
Did any other WWII plane kill more of its own pilots than this deathtrap? Kaaaaaa-boom!!!
Hmmm... tough question. Not a hatred, just ambivalence. And I might not that this is just today. My ambivalence changes over time. Example, I list the Spit below, but used to just love it. I think that ambivalence stems from the same reasons Waynos started this thread. And one I use to have ambivalence that I now love is the He-111.
Fairey Battle
MiG-3
Spitfire
P-39
Whirlwind
Do-17
A-20
I like the Komet also, but in all actuality, very few of the 91 delivered ever flew.Oh oh! I seem to become the official Me 163 protector
Most of the horror stories about the Me 163 are fiction. Very very few people died from accidents, nobody got incinerated or blown to pieces, and the Me 163 shot down more bombers than it lost in combat and non-combat losses. In fact, it was one of the more succesful German fighter aircraft as others lost more than they shot down. The Me 163 - once operational - was a safe plane and very easy to fly as it was in fact a glider fitted with a rocket engine.
Kris
I like the Komet also, but in all actuality, very few of the 91 delivered ever flew.
Out of those few, 6 were shot down by Allied aircraft, 9 were lost to operational incidents.
Thier final tally: 16 Allied aircraft shot down.
Statistically speaking, that's not very impressive