Engine torque and rolling.

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Feb 24, 2019
It is often remarked that each aircraft has it preferred direction of roll, which is in the opposite sense to the propeller's rotation.

Why should that matter ? While the aeroplane is in its trimmed condition there should be zero moment along the roll axis regardless of the engine torque.
To depart from this orientation force must be applied to the stick for rolling in either direction. Then why should it matter in which direction the plane is being rolled ? It does it from its state of equilibrium in both the cases.

I hope I got my question across.
 
at high speed it doesn't matter much.

at low speed, take off and landing, it matters a lot. And it is not quite as simple as you state. While the plane can be trimmed to a steady state of equilibrium once you start to roll you are either fighting the torque effect or it is aiding you. in other words you need more aileron deflection to roll one way than the other.

The most famous case of engine torque was the Sopwith Camel although that might be more properly gyroscopic effect. it would turn 270 degrees one way as fast as it would turn 90 degrees the other way. having several hundred pounds of engine spinning at 1250rpm does strange things to the handling of a 1500lb airplane.
 
Equilibrium is not a "steady-state" condition unless the conditions themselves are fixed. Any change in the conditions voids the "steady-state". An aircraft which is "trimmed" for one set will be un-trimmed when something changes. Since torque is not a fixed force it can't be trimmed out under all conditions.
 
Newton's Third Law of Motion.
An aircraft with a clockwise turning propeller (viewed from the cockpit) is having to resist a tendency to roll counter-clockwise. To roll clockwise, it has to resist the tendency even more; to roll counter-clockwise, resist the tendency less. It will have a faster roll rate to the left.
 

I will never forget my Dad explaining how those planes had the crankshaft bolted to the firewall and the prop and engine together spun. I thought he was totally BS'ing me!

Cheers,
Biff
 
That is all true, but that tendency to roll in the opposite sense exists in completely level flight too. Only it is balanced by aerodynamic forces.
Once the plane departs from this position, the extra moment being applied is on top of the already existing moment used to counter engine torque.
At trim (Mengine + Maerodynamic )1 = 0 then it becomes (Mengine + Maerodynamic)2 + Mroll = Inertia*angular acceleration
(Mengine + Maerodynamic )1 = (Mengine + Maerodynamic )2 should be true, but it is not. Why ?

Since torque is not a fixed force it can't be trimmed out under all conditions.
True, but none of the talk about an aircraft in roll mentions accelerating the engine. Unless speeding up the engine is mentioned, it should be fair to assumed that the engine torque does not change drastically.
Why should rolling change the engine torque anyway ?
you are either fighting the torque effect or it is aiding you.
Thus my question. How would you physically define this torque effect ? Why does it aid rolling in one direction but not the other ?
 
Thus my question. How would you physically define this torque effect ? Why does it aid rolling in one direction but not the other ?

As mentioned previously, the engine wants to spin the opposite direction of the prop. When you are in level flight (stabilized) the plane is trimmed against this and therefore not rolling. When you roll the same direction as the prop you have to overcome aerodynamic forces as well as engine torque. Roll opposite from the prop and the torque helps.

Most SE piston fighters have a prop that spins CW from the pilots perspective. The stick is also held in the right hand and is easier to push left than pull to the right. Pilots end up sitting angled to the left just a touch, which combined with the effects of torque results in pilots preferring a hard turn to the left over one to the right. It's easier, faster, and more "natural" feeling. I preferred left hand patterns, and left turning fights in the Eagle as it was more comfortable or easier to look over the left shoulder while fighting than the right.

Cheers,
Biff
 
If the aircraft is using (pick a number) 5% of its available roll control to resist the prop torque, then only 95% is left to actually roll right. The aircraft has effectively 105% roll control to the left.
If you are standing on the beach in a 30mph wind, you are at equilibrium by leaning into the wind. Can you then run into the wind as fast as you can run downwind?
 

One of the persistent aviation myths.
Calculated Sopwith Camel
 

In S&L flight the plane's ailerons will be trimmed to cancel out the amount of torque at that particular power setting, to enable hands free, stable (wings level) flight.
 

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