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Would probably have been credited as Damaged or Probable in some places me thinks....
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If it was written off after being crippled and downed then it's a victory.If an enemy aircraft is downed, crippled due to damage or otherwise rendered unable to complete it's mission, then it's a decisive victory for the opposing force.
The fact that the aircraft was dug up or dredged up 80 years later has absolutely zero bearing on the outcome of the battle that day.
Militaries see it differently.I am personally not counting a victory if the aircraft was downed but repaired afterwards.
All these aren't ''kills'' then by definition.Spitfire P7350 repaired 80 years ago at No.1 Civilian Repair Unit | RAF Memorial Flight Club
Header image: This is not actually Spitfire P7350, but 234 Sqn Spitfire Mk 1 ‘AZ-V’, which made a wheels-up landing at RAF St Eval on 9th October 1940. P7350 would have suffered similar damage after being shot down and force-landed, wheels-up, on 25th October 1940. In last month’s newsletter we...memorialflightclub.com
I am personally not counting a victory if the aircraft was downed but repaired afterwards. The Soviet report clearly states if it was repaired after.
Main thing is, was the pilot repairable ?I am personally not counting a victory if the aircraft was downed but repaired afterwards. The Soviet report clearly states if it was repaired after.
Quite often yes. If the plane is repaired, the pilot would usually be wounded but recover quickly and return to combat.Main thing is, was the pilot repairable ?
Quite often yes. If the plane is repaired, the pilot would usually be wounded but recover quickly and return to combat.
Yes that pilot was beaten. One was victorious over another. I said this previously.Was that pilot beaten by another pilot in air to air combat, meaning one was victorious over the other?
Yes or no?
Answer the question…
Yes that pilot was beaten. One was victorious over another. I said this previously.
I said this in an earlier post:Then you agree that it was a kill.
Sakai Saburo was heavily wounded on 7 August 1942 with his eye being hit and he had to fly back to Rabaul with serious injuries and a damaged aircraft. The SBD Dauntless that hit Sakai was credited with a victory even though Sakai landed back at base with a damaged aircraft and wounds. The aircraft was repaired and Sakai only returned to combat in 1944. Would this be a victory for the SBD? They were credited with it. In my opinion no it's not but other people would say it is.
No I don't. Being victorious over a pilot doesn't necessarily mean a victory in my opinion.Then you agree that it was a kill.
How do you know the Dauntless pilot was credited with it? There is no after-action report that says Sakai's airplane was last seen flying away in a damaged state and I claim that as a victory. There is no way any US pilot could know who was flying what Japanese airplane. It may well have been credited as damaged and it is possible it was submitted as a victory, but we would have no real way of knowing for sure. So, how do you make that claim in here? Not dinging you; just curious about it.Sakai Saburo was heavily wounded on 7 August 1942 with his eye being hit and he had to fly back to Rabaul with serious injuries and a damaged aircraft. The SBD Dauntless that hit Sakai was credited with a victory even though Sakai landed back at base with a damaged aircraft and wounds. The aircraft was repaired and Sakai only returned to combat in 1944. Would this be a victory for the SBD? They were credited with it. In my opinion no it's not but other people would say it is.