SaparotRob
Unter Gemeine Geschwader Murmeltier XIII
He's married?
Erich Hartmann and his victories and overclaims over Hungary
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We need the rainbow reaction guy in here… lol
SaparotRob
Unter Gemeine Geschwader Murmeltier XIII
Hold on. Let me see if I can summon him.
With Ukraine's receipt of F-16s, the VVS will be pushed back further from the front, reducing glide bomb attacks on Ukrainian schools and hospitals.
Thumpalumpacus
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Allow me this analogy:
In Aug 44 the Germans launched an offensive aimed at Mortain with the objective of cutting American armies off to allow their defeat in detail. The offensive was repulsed, which resulted in the Germans hastily retreating East through the Falaise Gap before being hustled completely out of France and regrouping in Belgium, Holland, and Germany.
Was this an Allied victory?
I think the idea that only complete annihilation is a victory is short-sighted in the extreme. Mission-kill is a valid concept.
Thumpalumpacus
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Woah, hold on there Nelly. According to some, Analogies are evil and not allowed.
Unless of course the analogy is sporting black crosses.
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No he saw the aircraft in small fragments on the ground usually after exploding
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I understand we don't agree. I have already said we all have different opinions and that we don't agree. I don't know why you haven't seen that.
Everyone has their own valid opinion which I already said.
It's clear that you and other people here are so rattled. It's hilarious to see people having meltdowns because I say something they don't agree with. Please chill. However if you want to continue then go ahead. It's so funny.
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Oh. My. Goodness.
I have explained my opinion and it's reasons many times
I believe the aircraft has to be destroyed. Period.
You're going around in circles asking the same stuff over and over. It's madness
Ok, but what about aircraft that didn't explode? Not every one does…
Your opinion aka definition is full of holes.
LMAO
No, whats annoying is someone believing their opinion is fact.
Nobody is having a meltdown either, most of us are rather amused.
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Then you can make a guess as a pilot as to whether or not it's going to be repaired.
Lipfert and Barkhorn were better at guessing if their victims would be written off.
Ignoring the creation of aces and awards, this all started out as intelligence gathering, which all forces do. The people doing it compile the data based on various criteria, and combine that with other information to try to establish what is going on. It can only produce an estimate which everyone concerned expects to be wrong, even with everyones best efforts. It doesnt matter if it is wrong, as long as it is always wrong by the same amount. Changes to this wrong information combined with information from your own losses will still tell you if things are getting better or worse. What you cannot do is change the criteria, once you do that you are discussing apples oranges groats bailliwicks and slugs.
Because, your opinion makes no sense. Do you really think your opinion outweighs those of the brave men who actually flew and fought? Thats the real madness here.
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Well since you're being confrontational it's clear you're angry and having a meltdown
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Never said my opinion is a fact by the way
lol
Trust me, you don't make me angry. And by the way, debating your opinion is not being confrontational.
But hey, if it makes you feel better about yourself to think I am mad and having a "meltdown" feel free to think that.
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