The Germans have bought F-35As to replace the Tornado strike variants and is buying Typhoon ECR variants to replace the Tornado ECRs. Several European nations have already bought F-35s, including Italy, which currently operates the Typhoon. The Future Combat Air System was developed as a next-Gen fighter and France wants to replace its Rafales with it, but when Germany opted for the F-35 it put its participation in the programme into question.
Eurofighter Replacement?
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The Germans have bought F-35As to replace the Tornado strike variants and is buying Typhoon ECR variants to replace the Tornado ECRs. Several European nations have already bought F-35s, including Italy, which currently operates the Typhoon. The Future Combat Air System was developed as a next-Gen fighter and France wants to replace its Rafales with it, but when Germany opted for the F-35 it put its participation in the programme into question.
there is only one reason which convinced Germany for the F35 - it is sole typeavailable for them for newer versio
Pretty much. At one point the Germans wanted an all-Typhoon fleet, then a Typhoon/Super Hornet fleet, behind which a decision was deferred until after the election and the new government went for the F-35 option. The B-61 bomb is not certified to be dropped by the Super Hornet either. Modified Typhoons are being bought to replace the Tornado ECR variants.
It is my understanding Germany chose the F-35 just because of the atomic bomb compatibility. If that requirement is dropped in the future they'll very likely try to sell them as fast as possible. BTW it's a non-nice way to force other countries to buy US aircraft.
Faster too?
I don't see why, there are benefits to commonality with other nations within Germany's sphere of influence. The F-35A was bought because of the nuclear sharing thing, but it is an effective strike aircraft and there are already a few NATO/European nations that have ordered the type. I can't see Germany backing out of the nuclear sharing agreement any time soon either; the Bundestag is increasing its defence budget and following this war I see the US armed forces, who are responsible for maintaining the nuclear weapons on foreign nations' territories increasing their presence in Europe.
Another facet to this puzzle is generating or keeping skill sets in your home country. It's like choosing the A400 / C130J. If your country makes one, or part of one, the money might be better spent on that aircraft vice the other even if it's more expensive. It's not always a total cost factor, sometimes it's buying from the home team.Now that Germany, Britain and Europe are going full bore on military spending can we assume a replacement of the Eurofighter Typhoon will enter service before 2035? Wikipedia has its replacement entering service between 2035 and 2040.
Future Combat Air System - Wikipedia
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Wouldn't it be faster and cheaper for Europe to buy F-35s?
Germany just decided to buy F35s. Probably due to the Russian wake up call, and with that in mind it's 5th gen stealthy AND they can get a production slot. Much like purchasing airliner, availability counts.
Only UK and Australia are Tier 1 US technology transfer partners.
Everyone else gets degraded F-35s
SaparotRob
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Canada isn't tier 1?
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Canada was a "level 3" partner several years ago. That may change as the new procurement is still being negotiated.
Source?
buffnut453
Captain
Well...it depends on the topic of discussion. The level of partnership in the F-35 programme is different from the partnership tiering for general technology transfer. Frankly, I'd be surprised if Canada wasn't tier 1 for the latter...but these days I'm accustomed to being surprised.
Utter garbage!
Any partner nations are getting the 'full' F-35. Even FMS buyers are getting the same.
buffnut453
Captain
Again, there's a difference between the tiering agreements for F-35 -vs- tiering for sharing of military technology in general. The picture you showed is just for F-35, not for general military tech sharing.
The only things in place that would come close to what you are suggesting are the following:
Therefore, I once again call the statement that "Only UK and Australia are Tier 1 US technology transfer partners. Everyone else gets degraded F-35s" as utter garbage.
- AUKUS Treaty
- United Kingdom / United States of America Defense Trade Cooperation Treaty
- Australia-U.S. Treaty on Defence Trade Cooperation
- Canadian Exemption under ITAR
- Five Eyes
Therefore, I once again call the statement that "Only UK and Australia are Tier 1 US technology transfer partners. Everyone else gets degraded F-35s" as utter garbage.
