Experimetal b-17s

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  1. mark g

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    i have seen pictures of the yb-40 but had heard that there was designs for a b-17 with 30 guns and was curious if this is right and if so if anyone would have drawings of this if it really is true i would appriciate it very much thank you
     
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    #2 GrauGeist, Jan 2, 2010
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    Your best bet would be to google for YB-40 or XB-40 for any images or detailed info...

    I haven't heard of any 30 gun setup though, just the 16 gun YB-40.

    The only good drawing of the YB-40 I know of, is this:
     

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    Cool Pictures thanks for posting
     
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    Never heard of a 30 gun Fort. The YB-40 with 16 guns and ammo couldn't keep up with the conventional B-17s after they dropped their loads. The idea (YB-40 gunships) was quickly abandoned.

    And where would the extra 14 .50s be mounted?

    Impossible.

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    THere was a pic posted on there that had 8 x .50's in a nose turrent. Wonder if it was part of that one.
     
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    VB, there was that one B-17 that went on special missions in the Pacific.

    Can't recall the pilot's name but he took an older fort and beefed it up. It was discussed here a while back, anyway it had additional fifties mounted on her, too.
     
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    That's "Old 666" I believe. This turret was really odd looking, I'll look for it.
     
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    #9 GrauGeist, Jan 2, 2010
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    I read about Zeamer in Flying Forts by Martin Caidin. It talked of the B-17 a little but as to how accurate Caidin was at telling a story I have my doubts but that's just me. Zeamer and his bombardier Joseph R Sonoski were both awarded the Medal of Honor.
     
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    That's just nasty! :shock:
     
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    #13 vikingBerserker, Jan 2, 2010
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    Doing some more reading, and it was a configuration of a YB-40 that had room for up to 30 x .50 cals. Not sure of that was mounted or xtras carried. Have yet to find any drawing or pic.

    Found a blurb about those versions carrying an extra Doresal (3?) and Ventra turret, 4/6 gun nose and tail turrets.
     
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    See my post above that has the drawing for the 16-gun setup, including the extra turret over the Engineer's station.

    It was also the YB-17's chin turret that was adapted to the later "G" model along with some late "F" models getting the field modification.
     
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    I bet that's what they had meant to say. It would not make a lot of sense to me to have 3 turrets up top and 3 on the bottom.
     
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    thank you so much for your guys reponses that chin turret is nasty. By the way i just signed up and would like to say hello hey and i think this site is awesome. I asked this question because i to thought how could that many guns on there. But then i thought i guess it could be possible because they had a B-25 with at least 18 guns on it. My only thought on howw it could be done was doubleing the guns at every station. Like on the YB-40 double waist guns and the turrets have four like some of the British bombers. Then put some other guns in a few other plces like six guns in the chin turret.
     
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    Also this one they mentioned i dont think they ever made it it just might have been a prposal.
     
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    It's a nice idea to have a staggering arsenal of weapons sticking out of every possible hole on the aircraft, but you have to have ammunition for it. And ammo comes with a price: weight.

    Add to that the weight of the turrets and machine guns and/or cannon and you have some serious overwight issues.

    One of the reasons why the YB-40 wasn't a success, was because it wasn't able to keep up with the B-17s after they dropped thier bombs.
     
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    Very good Photos, first time I see that gun layout.
     
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