renrich
Chief Master Sergeant
Same reference as that on F14 gives the F15 at takeoff weight of 41,500 pounds gives a wing loading of 681 pounds/SF. When half fuel is used that drops to 571 pounds/SF. Says nothing about the fuselage providing lift.
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drgondog said:I didn't 'miss' it Soren.
I think that was proven to be a myth - photographs photoshopped.and the half dozen with the Russian AF
FLYBOYJ said:Amd they'll do it every time if an engagement is played out within the merge and the F-15 driver knows what he's doing (which again would be most of the time). Again the F-14 was a great fleet defender and bomber killer and it could take on some fighters and win most of the time, it its not going to consistently win against an F-15 and I think that was clearly shown.
The F-14's fuselage is shaped like an airfoil, unlike the F-15 or F-16's. The F-14's fuselage is actually pretty thin, and the engines a seperated to create a large airfoil like body, the lift body design, generating a very large amount of the lift the a/c generates. The fences on the top of the fuselage are put there for a reason as well, the a/c acting like one big wing.
Yes you did, you just don't want to admit it cause you see it totally ruins your comparison.
Here's what I got:
""On May 1, 1983, during an Israeli Air Force training dogfight, a F-15D collided with a A-4 Skyhawk. Unknown to pilot Zivi Nedivi, and his copilot, the right wing of the Eagle was torn off roughly two feet (60 cm) from the fuselage. The pilot managed to regain control of the aircraft and prevented it from stalling, ultimately landing the crippled aircraft successfully. The F-15 was able to stay in the air because of the lift generated by the large horizontal surface area of the fuselage, the large and effective stabilators and the surviving wing. Landing at twice the normal speed to maintain the necessary lift, although the tailhook was torn off completely during the landing, Zivi managed to bring his F-15 to a complete stop approximately 20 feet (6 m) from the end of the runway. He was later quoted as saying "(I) probably would have ejected if I knew what had happened."
Would you say that the F-15 does NOT have body lift characteristics?
I knew you would say that!No, but not near as much as the F-14.
No, but not near as much as the F-14.
Ahh - you care to venture an opinion as to why the F-14 cannot compete with either the F-16 or F-15 in ROC - as an 'all wing design'. Surely that would help compensate for a lower T/W ratio.
No, not in a near vertical climb, a flying wing (Which the F-14 isn't) doesn't possess any advantage there at all, you should know that. A T/W ratio of more than 1, like that of the F-15, means you can climb vertically or very close to, which is much faster as apposed to doing it at say 60 degrees from the horizontal.
If the wingbody combination of the F-14 remotely approached a flying wing in overall airframe efficiency, it would be a major advantage in energy bleed.. but guess what, the F-14 apparently loses energy faster that the F-16 and F-15..
Yes you did, you just don't want to admit it cause you see it totally ruins your comparison.
I know you have a lot of knowledge on a lot of things, but you have this way of getting on the wrong side of people which just goes wrong