The Basket
Senior Master Sergeant
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- Jun 27, 2007
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So I am trying to find out about the Flight to Nowhere during the Battle of Midway June 1942.
So off the Hornet, in the first wave, we had
Devastator torpedo squadron (VT-8)
Dauntless dive bomber squadron (VS-8)
Wildcat Fighter Squadron (VF-8)
Dauntless dive bomber squadron (VB-8)
Now there was a difference of opinion of where the Kido Butai was between Lt. Cmdr. John C. Waldron (Devastator torpedo squadron (VT-8) and Cmdr. Stanhope C. Ring (Cmdr Hornet Air Group) and this continued in the flight. Waldron even broke radio silence and told Ring he was going the wrong way. Waldron would against orders fly to where he believed Kido Butai was and the rest of his squadron would follow. VT-8 would lose all its aircraft and all but 1 man. Waldron was right but it cost him his life.
So did the Hornet Air Group fly to find 2 carriers that weren't there? Or did they fly with the Enterprise Air Group and chose the wrong way? How did Waldron know where they were if Ring didn't?
Anyone got a link so I can find exactly which USN air group did what?
As to the dumbassary of keeping Hiryu with the surface forces, I think just about every naval historian and amateur agrees with you.That's why having all 3 carriers together is beneficial as they can offer better defence on a limited capacity.
The TBD had a 85% loss rate and no torpedo hits so that's horrific.
The Yorktown was late launching its aircraft as they had to land scout planes and also hang back in case more carriers were found. The IJN used it's cruisers for scout planes and not it's carriers which kinda makes sense in this scenario.
Hiryu had a few Kaga Zeroes and an Akagi Kate so would have been a mix. Hiryu now had more Zeroes than it started with as all surviving Zeroes landing on the surviving carrier...although not much longer.
Woulda coulda shoulda but in my view Hiryu should have done 270' West and got out of Dodge ramming speed as soon as was decent.
Hiryu fights another day. Keeping Hiryu within the range of USN strike aircraft was pure dumbassary in my humble opinion. Asking for a dive bombing.