Foreign Aircraft in Japanese Markings

Discussion in 'Aircraft Markings and Camouflage' started by syscom3, Nov 4, 2007.

  1. wh1skea

    wh1skea New Member

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    Was that a Hurricane (with a tropical cowl) I saw in 2 of those images?
     
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    HI all,
    Sorry to bring back to life a old thread.
    Anyway, I am having some very interesting discussions about whether Japan every received two He-119 aircraft for evaluation?
    There are some conflicting reports and it appears that Japan did order and pay for them and they were supposedly shipped in May1940 but other than some authors saying they arrived (William Green and David Donald as well as a Arawasi article by Paul Starking) and others no evidence.
    See here:
    Exports to Japan - Page 3 - Luftwaffe and Allied Air Forces Discussion Forum
    here:
    Heinkel He119 - was it used by the Luftwaffe? - Luftwaffe Experten Message Board
    and here:
    Japanese He-119 Torpedo Bomber

    I am interested to know if anyone here has further details on this mystery?
    Also DerAdlerIstGelandet list does NOT have this plane on it, (could you have another look?) but it does appear on some other lists!

    regards
    Peter H
     
  3. proton45

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    This is an old post but I thought I would just throw this up anyway...

    Here is the Japanese evaluation report from studying the ME109.
     

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    Any reports on other planes....He-119 for example?
     
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    There's even Emperor's Hellcat:
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    http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/aircraft-requests/captured-f6f-3729.html
    Strange no one posted it here yet :)
     
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    Yet another captured aircraft. A-20 Boston/Havoc
     

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    #107 ppopsie, Aug 3, 2009
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    I believe that the captured Allied aircraft were the only aircraft opened to public in wartime Japan. Technical matters on these planes were discussed by the Army test pilots and engineers as well as the civillians on an article in the same issue of the Koku Asahi magazine.

    In that, according to my vague memory, one of the Army officers mentioned there were many people including pilots rushed to fly the captured B-17s and that annoyed him. They admitted the bomber was a good and easy airplane to fly in. In that respect the Army officers participated in the discussion seemed to be fair and honest.
     
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    I'm pretty sure that is the fairchild logo.
    Ed
     
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    Where you get from?, really good post...
     
  10. zoomar

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    The top photo is also interesting because the Japanese fighter flying with the 109 appears to be a Ki-60, NOT a Ki-61. Note the long glazed area behind the cockpit.
     
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    #111 otftch, Mar 15, 2010
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    Tail Markings on Fairchild 91.This might help.I won't re-size so you can see detail.
    Ed
     

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    I think it is a Japanese applied marking as it appears on many of the captured aircraft eg. photos in post no. 99
     
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    At least this is reported in several older William Green books. Supposedly would have been license built but negotiations fell through. No evidence any were actually in Germany, though.
     
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    Really interesting thread and great pics. Thanks to all.

    Running through it is an idea of the Japanese as copiers of pre ww2 western aircraft development. I don't think this is entirely true.
    Search 'Fred David Heinkel' for an incredible story. Worked for Heinkel, Jewish, Ernst Heinkel got him out of Germany by sending him to Japan where he was adapting Heinkel designs for the Japanese. Things turned bad there eventually and he fled. Long story ends with him pulled out of a camp to join the Australians who designed and built the Boomerang.

    The Japanese weren't copying....they were involved in an intense process of adaption and development with some of the best of European aircraft design. Little wonder their aircraft were so good.....
     
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