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Snautzer01
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Looks like a Mondriaan painting.
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Love to see the greyheads at work. Are they discussing if coffee or beer?
OK. I have found another shot of the rear part of the wing from the central wing section to the flap area, The view is from the wing top. The section has been damaged a little bit . But it can be possible to notice the airfoil lines and the stringers. Additionaly I have marked the lines you need. The red are the panel lines. The yellow the rivet lines. As i said the section is damaged what slightly changed its shape buit the rivet lines kept the regular spacing. Please notice that the plates of the wing covering have an offset in the middle but still have the same width.
the source: Restaurierung: Innenflügel – Focke-Wulf Fw 200 "Condor"
and here a simplified sketch ... the blue the panel lines , the yellow the rivet ones ... please omit the red arrows.
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I moved on to the tail flaps. Black is fabric. White is metal. The horizontal lines are the metal rods underneath the fabric.
How were the rivets located here? How was the fabric attached to the metal bars?
The fabric skin was glued to the matal frame in the same way the rudder one was. You may see that in the pic below.
The rivet lines of the metal frame of the elevator. Please note that the entire elevator was plastered with a one sheet of the fabric all around. As a result the rivet lines were covered with the skin and weren't noticed.
BTW I found a mistake you made in the location of the panel lines of the horizontal stabilizer. Here the correct layout ...
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Glued? If the fabric was glued to a metal frame, then what does the rivets have to do with it?
Were the sheets of metal attached to the metal frame with rivets and the fabric glued down?
Man, you try to make the 3D model of the aircraft. But sorry ... it seems you don't not have the foggiest idea on how planes were/are designed and made. Each time you ask for things that are very obvious. The metal parts and the metal skin have to be riveted for getting the most durable and rigid construction. In the case of the elevators and ailerons that were covered with the fabric, their metal frame ( skeleton ) had to be riveted because there wasn't any glue for the metal that could join it enough strong. So either the riveting or welding could be used. But it is not too easy to weld the aluminium and the riveting was/is still the way used.
In your post above you have asked two questions that werent enough precise. And I aswered them fully giving you all needed info for both the metal frame and the fabric skin.
However if you need to get my confirmation about the appearance of the finished elevators ... yes the rivets weren't seen under the fabric covering because the rivets used for joining of the metal skin were the countersunk ones. As a result the whole frame was of the smooth surface.
riveting of the metal frame ...
covering with the fabric covering ...
finished elevators ...
Additionally I have found a close up shot of the elevator with noticed small holes and thin channels along the airfoil flanges. It means that the fabric wasn't glued to the metal frame only but also sewed. These dark lines on the elevator and rudder in the B&W picture above, are the additional thin fabric strips glued at the seams to cover the floss and protect it against the moisture and for getting the smooth surface.
the pic source: Summary – Focke-Wulf Fw 200 "Condor"
In your post above you have asked two questions that werent enough precise. And I aswered them fully giving you all needed info for both the metal frame and the fabric skin.
However if you need to get my confirmation about the appearance of the finished elevators ... yes the rivets weren't seen under the fabric covering because the rivets used for joining of the metal skin were the countersunk ones. As a result the whole frame was of the smooth surface.
riveting of the metal frame ...
covering with the fabric covering ...
finished elevators ...
Additionally I have found a close up shot of the elevator with noticed small holes and thin channels along the airfoil flanges. It means that the fabric wasn't glued to the metal frame only but also sewed. These dark lines on the elevator and rudder in the B&W picture above, are the additional thin fabric strips glued at the seams to cover the floss and protect it against the moisture and for getting the smooth surface.
the pic source: Summary – Focke-Wulf Fw 200 "Condor"
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Just like a giant model kit.
Snautzer01
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You are a patient man. You are.
And i agree. This person should, before going on, do first a bit af reseach on how period airplanes were designed and made.
You can not draw a dog without ever have seen one. Or at least have studied it and know it has not 3 legs and 2 tails.
It like a student asking the teacher to do his homework.
Stas should get his game up.
He is failing as student now.
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I ask these questions because I don't understand English. Google translates your language.
I'm clarifying because I don't want to waste a lot of time on something that I'll have to redo if it turns out to be a mistake.
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Simon Thomas
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Interesting that you are very concerned about wasting your time. Have you ever considered that it can go both ways?
Gratitude is a universal language. You should try it some time.
Gratitude is a universal language. You should try it some time.
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I'm so grateful to him
It's OK. No problem. I know you use the online translator. Therefore you have to be more precise when asking.
To reply your question ... yes the metal structure of both the rudder, elevators and also the ailerons, was covered with the fabric skin fully. The horizontal stabilizer was of the matal skin while the fin was of the metal covering but had the fabric panels additionally. Here two shots with the correct english names of the tail surfaces and the kind of their covering. These should help.
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Surprisingly, it even matches what I do
BTW .. I found the image showing the central part of the wing with the rivet lines of the wing part to the trailing edge ...
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These aren't the rivet holes. I have expained it to you in my post you quoted. Below there is my comment to the pic ( from my post above) referring to that.
