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Should he have been replaced, if so, by who?
Gen. Mark W. Clark?
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vinnye
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Omar Bradley - not as flambouyant as some but got the job done - a safe pair of hands.
Maybe Creighton Abrams - probably the best General of Armoured troops in WW2?
Maybe Creighton Abrams - probably the best General of Armoured troops in WW2?
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fastmongrel
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I imagine the Germans in Italy 43 to 45 thought he was wonderful and probably wanted to award him the Iron Cross.
He did seem to do well in Korea though so perhaps he learnt his lessons.
He did seem to do well in Korea though so perhaps he learnt his lessons.
syscom3
Pacific Historian
Why put your best armoured divisional commander in terrain that isnt conducive to tank warfare?
I think a good choice would be Gen Layton Collins.
vinnye
Senior Airman
Depends on which battle you are referring to?
At Anzio - Creighton Abrams would have moved from the beach head as soon as possible and exploited the German weakness possibly achieving the goal for this landing - cutting the German supply lines to Cassino etc. By taking to long establishing the beach head - the Germans had time to organize a counter attack that very nearly pushed the Americans back into the sea.
At Anzio - Creighton Abrams would have moved from the beach head as soon as possible and exploited the German weakness possibly achieving the goal for this landing - cutting the German supply lines to Cassino etc. By taking to long establishing the beach head - the Germans had time to organize a counter attack that very nearly pushed the Americans back into the sea.
syscom3
Pacific Historian
Italy is mountainous. You cant fight a mobile armored war in that terrain. Abrams is a non starter for the MTO.
Creighton Abrams didnt get his first star until the middle 1950s, not that he wouldnt have been a good commander however. Cant use armor in the mountains? Better tell that to the tankers in the Korean war!
J. Lawton Collins would have been a good choice, others which come to mind are Generals Ridgway and Gavin.
J. Lawton Collins would have been a good choice, others which come to mind are Generals Ridgway and Gavin.
vinnye
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When the French and Poles broke through at Monte Caasino, the American 2nd Cops were moving along near the coast near Terracina and linked up with 6 Corps from Anzio beach head. At this point Mark Clark had two options, 1 - advance along Highway 7 to Rome or 2 advance across the Liri valley and cut off the German 10th Army at Valmontone.
We know which he did, and this allowed a fighting retreat by the German Army to the Gothic Line defences.
We know which he did, and this allowed a fighting retreat by the German Army to the Gothic Line defences.
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It just means that he was not overawed by McArthur. He would not be cowed or put on the back foot by McArthur's ego and reputation.
I can't see anyway that Clark would have been replaced. If Eisenhower stuck with him after the debacle at the Rapido crossing (for which in fairness Clark was sort of exonerated) I can't see him getting rid of him subsequently.
Always promote the tallest! Worked for Clark
Cheers
Steve
