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GrauGeist · Mar 26, 2021

MiTasol said:
Look for the video of the Battle of the Bismark Sea. Lots of Japanese being machine gunned by various RAAF and USAAF aircraft. When the Japanese or Germans or Italians did that it was a war crime but history is always written by the victors who always develop amnesia.

Unfortunately, when one side starts doing it, the other side will most often respond in kind.
The Imperial Japanese did not have the best track record for assisting shipwrecked people from the very start of the war.
Many examples of direct orders from high command to "totally eliminate" enemy assets: ship, cargo and crew can be found.
The IJN's I-37, was the leader in carrying out their orders and among their unfortunate tally, was the Australian Hospital ship Centaur.

The incident of strafing survivors at Bismark Sea was done by both sides, like the Japanese who, during the early days of the battle (3 March), strafed 7 survivors of a damaged USAAF B-17 (piloted by Lt. Moore) who were in the silk.

So in the end, no one was guilt-free.

33k in the air · Mar 26, 2021

special ed said:
A friend who was on the Enterprise told of, after an air attack, a destroyer put out a boat to pick up a downed Japanese flyer who then shot a sailor at close range. There were no more rescue attempts.

There are many accounts of Japanese soldiers feigning surrender only to throw grenades at U.S. troops or otherwise attack them.

GrauGeist said:
Unfortunately, when one side starts doing it, the other side will most often respond in kind.
The Imperial Japanese did not have the best track record for assisting shipwrecked people from the very start of the war..

The IJN executed three U.S. aviators it had captured during the Battle of Midway (although this did not come to light until after the war). There was also the Japanese treatment of Allied prisoners of war. While many are familiar with Dr. Mengele, fewer are aware of Unit 731.

Imperial Japan was frequently brutal, even to its own personnel.

FLYBOYJ · Mar 26, 2021

My Kid's Great Grandmother AND Grandfather were POWs Here's his book.

Surviving the Day

SaparotRob · Mar 26, 2021

FLYBOYJ said:
My Kid's Great Grandmother AND Grandfather were POWs Here's his book.

Surviving the Day

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Wow.

glennasher · Mar 26, 2021

The Japanese used a lot of slave labor to build the railway into Burma (Bridge on the River Kwai ring any bells?) Most of those were British POWS from the debacle at Singapore, but there were also Thais rounded up when they ran short of Commonwealth POWS to work to death. The Japanese were about as brutal as it gets in the wartime years. I think the bridge was finally dropped by B24s, not commandos, but either way...............

Greyman · Mar 26, 2021

I often see something to the effect of; '... the tipping of V1 flying bombs was done without actually contacting the V1's wing, but by using the airflow / turbulence of the fighter's wing ...'

However, every time I read an anecdote from a pilot that tipped over a V1 -- they make it very clear contact was made.

I'm nowhere near ready to get into myth busted! territory ... but my suspicions are raised. Anyone have any actual anecdotes of the 'airflow upsetting' method?

SaparotRob · Mar 26, 2021

glennasher said:
The Japanese used a lot of slave labor to build the railway into Burma (Bridge on the River Kwai ring any bells?) Most of those were British POWS from the debacle at Singapore, but there were also Thais rounded up when they ran short of Commonwealth POWS to work to death. The Japanese were about as brutal as it gets in the wartime years. I think the bridge was finally dropped by B24s, not commandos, but either way...............

Nope. Bridge still there. More concrete and steel than bamboo, unlike the movie.

pbehn · Mar 26, 2021

33k in the air said:
There are many accounts of Japanese soldiers feigning surrender only to throw grenades at U.S. troops or otherwise attack them.

The IJN executed three U.S. aviators it had captured during the Battle of Midway (although this did not come to light until after the war). There was also the Japanese treatment of Allied prisoners of war. While many are familiar with Dr. Mengele, fewer are aware of Unit 731.

Imperial Japan was frequently brutal, even to its own personnel.

SaparotRob said:
Wow.

My father was in the Royal Navy for 3 years in WW2 1942-45, he didn't return to UK until 1948. His three years in peacetime in Singapore and elsewhere in the far east affected him much more than his three years of war.

tyrodtom · Mar 26, 2021

SaparotRob said:
Nope. Bridge still there. More concrete and steel than bamboo, unlike the movie.

The original bridge was a wooden trestle, finished in Feb 43. replaced or supplimented by a steel-concrete bridge in Jun. 43.
The Japanese was in a hurry to get the Thai- Burma Railway into use, there were over 600 bridges on the line, most were wooden trestles.
I think the bridge on the river Kwai was the longest.
Both bridges were damaged several times, but rebuilt, until finally put out of commission in early 45.

The bridges was repaired postwar by Thailand, and the Thai portion of the railway put back into service.
The Burma portion of the Thai- Burma Railway was took out of service and the rails used elsewhere.

SaparotRob · Mar 26, 2021

Well how about that. The tourist literature from 30 years ago was wrong.

SaparotRob · Mar 26, 2021

Hey! Myth busted!

Milosh · Mar 26, 2021

There is a series on PBS about railroads. One of the programs was about the "Burma RR" today with lots of history included.

GrauGeist · Mar 26, 2021

Milosh said:
There is a series on PBS about railroads. One of the programs was about the "Burma RR" today with lots of history included.

Saw that documentary - very sobering, especially the cuts through bedrock, hewn by hand.

Milosh · Mar 27, 2021

Bridge On The River Kwai | The Thailand-Burma Railway | Secrets of the Dead | PBS

GrauGeist · Mar 27, 2021

Love Secrets of the Dead.
One of the few history series that actually does research, hunts for facts and leaves the viewer well informed about each episode's subject.

SaparotRob · Mar 27, 2021

The narrator of Secrets of the Dead is great. I love hearing him emphasize the "h" in why, what, when, etc.

wrenchedmyspanner · Mar 28, 2021

33k in the air said:
Both the British and the Germans had large stockpiles of chemical weapons during WWII, but both refrained from using them for fear of the retaliation which would inevitably ensue.

Technically, WP was a chemical weapon.

GrauGeist · Mar 28, 2021

wrenchedmyspanner said:
Technically, WP was a chemical weapon.

Not in the WWII sense.

Both the Axis and Allies had huge stockpiles of chemical/nerve agents, ready to use at the first twitch - which fortunately never happened.
The closest it came, was when the Luftwaffe attacked the port of Bari in '43, inadvertently hitting one such stockpile stowed aboard the SS John Harvey, releasing mustard gas into the water and air.

Thumpalumpacus · Mar 29, 2021

GrauGeist said:
So in the end, no one was guilt-free.

'Tis ever such in war.

SaparotRob · May 23, 2021

Okay, not strictly an aviation myth but I recently read that the HIJMS Mogami had the most successful torpedo attack in history sinking five ships with one spread. Unfortunately for Mogami, those ships were on her side.

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