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Hey guys,
At the risk of fanning flames, P-39 Expert is correct as to the length of the engine compartment being the same in both the P-400/P-39 and the P-63.
_________________P-400_______ P-63
Aft Station_______228.50"_____ 231.50"
Fwd Station____ -138.25"_____-141.25"
Length___________90.25"__=___ 90.25"
Hey guys,
At the risk of fanning flames, P-39 Expert is correct as to the length of the engine compartment being the same in both the P-400/P-39 and the P-63.
_________________P-400_______ P-63
Aft Station_______228.50"_____ 231.50"
Fwd Station____ -138.25"_____-141.25"
Length___________90.25"__=___ 90.25"
You're right. My apologies P-39 expert.
I thought the engine compartment ended at frame 182 15/64 on the P-39, and frame 189.062 on the P-63, but it extends all the way to end of the triangular plate.
On the radios, if you look at a lot of WW2 era fighter cutaways and detail views you'll notice some builders even went so far as to mount the entire radio on bungee cords, and about as far from the engine as possible.
The transmitter has to be isolated from static sources as much as possible, or that's what you'll be transmitting, static.
With the old tube type radios, the transmitter was the had more tubes than the receiver, was more fragile, and heavier.
Hi thomas P,
I have flown in a P-40N and have spoken with people who operate P-40s of various sorts, including P-40E and M models. None of them have any trouble climbing at 2,500+ fpm at normal weights. Then again, none are being operated at very heavy weights, either. Most are operating just a small bit less than normal weight and none are at max weight, even with a belly tank. You should not be surprised by that since none have actual guns in them except for one very realistic P-40M restoration. And, none of them are limited to 1,000 HP. Most P-40s in combat in the Pacific didn't use only 43" - 43.5" of MAP. Most used 48" - 60" and the AVG used to use 70" - 75" if they needed to do so. Low MAP flight was the norm for training, not for front-line units. I'd think they would take off at normal power and cruise to battle at normal cruise power but, if it came to combat, my bet is they pushed the throttle forward and used what power it could make, without worrying overly much about MAP book maximums.
The RP-63 "Pinball" was not Radio Controlled. It was a piloted target with added armor to keep the frangible bullets from damaging airframe and pilot.
That must have been such a depressing, not to say scary job I would think...
To be honest, it would be far better to have rookies plugging away at you rather than angry Japanese or Germans...To go up in a P-39 and the mission is to be shot at.
Who did that guy piss off?
My whole point is that radios COULD be mounted behind the pilot, which they often were. This is just one way that CG could have been adjusted after removing the nose armor. I'm sure Bell had other ways of adjusting CG. The Soviets removed the IFF radios in the tail (and wing guns) as unnecessary and kept the nose armor and it didn't seem to affect their flying qualities.Went back and looked at this - there is a RADIO behind the pilot on some models. There is ALSO one in the tail on ALL models!!!! Receiver/ Transmitter. This is not an optional installation, two units, two locations, "on some models."
From the manual you posted!
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I can tell you flat out, the transmitter was not moved behind the pilot nor can it be!!!!
Same set up on the P-63.
So, the transmitter was left in the tail - I wonder why???
My whole point is that radios COULD be mounted behind the pilot, which they often were. This is just one way that CG could have been adjusted after removing the nose armor. I'm sure Bell had other ways of adjusting CG. The Soviets removed the IFF radios in the tail (and wing guns) as unnecessary and kept the nose armor and it didn't seem to affect their flying qualities.
Would be fun if Greg P could add the IFF radio in the tail cone to his P-39 CG chart.
Apparently they don't take the guns out of all of them, down in NZ they have a couple of them which are shooting (blanks, I assume) at air shows