The Basket
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- Jun 27, 2007
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what happened to this thread...arent we supposed to be discussing the new British carriers????
I think I started this thread and it is supposed to be about the new British CVs. To get back on track, I believe that the influence of sea power may be greater today than ever before. Hopefully the US will continue to keep it's fleet up to date and Britain will put into commission those new CVs.
Why "beg" after all we are NATO buddies
IIRC there was a plan to refit cargo ships or naval tenders in order to deploy the F-35 and helicopters. Holland was one of these proposers, what happened to this interim aircraft carrier idea? And wouldn't it serve the purpose just as well?
Unless one would be a USS America with all the defensive equipment and units around it, (which Canada or England could never afford) the carrier would have to be located positioned in a safe spot anyway.
Since Canada and England are so close with the US, why not just rent a US carrier – incorporated into a USN fleet and equipped with the F-35 and other existing winged or rotary aircrafts.
any one know what the projected deckload will be, and what are the vital stats of the new ships. Are the brits finally going to utliae a decent AA system. And do they intend to provide proper AAW DD support as well???
If countries like Australia, Thailand, India and Spain put small carriers to sea, why can't the Germans. Now that the imminent threat of invasion from the east has receded, surely it is time for the Germans to act more as a team player and contribute to the collective defence obligations currently being shouldered by a few nations for the benefit of the many??
If countries like Australia, Thailand, India and Spain put small carriers to sea, why cant the germans. Now that the imminent threat of invasion from the east has receded, surely it is time for the Germans to act more as a team player and contribute to the collective defence obligations currently being shouldered by a few nations for the benefit of the many??
The really big challenge facing AAW is the threat from surface skimming cruise missiles. Since they broke onto the scene in 1982, they have advanced steadily. Back in my era of the '80s, the solution was a mixture of the CIWs (like Vulcan) and the British Anti missile system for longer ranged protection (name escapes me right now).
If that means supporting the US, I have serious doubts that they will
Don't the Brits have some surface ships with AA missile capabilities? I don't believe that conventional 4 or 5 inch guns are effective any more in AA defense. I may start a thread about cars in the past.
Kruska
Are you saying they are prohibited by treaty from deplying carriers in a defensive role? I was not aware of that. I also thought the peace treaty with the western nations dated from 1952, not 1949, and it was this 1952 that finally allowed the Federal Republic to bear arms for "defensive" purposes
A general comment on RN SAM's. Generally the SAM missiles deployed by the RN have been as good as the best at the time of deployment.
Seacat
The first small SAM for deployment on frigates and othr small vessels. There were a number of versions of differing complexity but it was deployed in about 19 navies.
Sea Slug
Not the most attractive missile but it had a good range and was very accurate. They ran out of targets during the development but it was big, heavy and expensive.
Sea Dart
Again a sophisticated system with good range and a capable surface to surface missile.
The only missile in the world to shoot down an anti shipping SSM in actual combat
The Sea Slug Sea Cat were also SSM capable like the Sea Dart correct?
Are all of these types still in use today?